Three Years After Escape from Norway

This is the testimony of a parent after a stealth escape from Norway while their family was awaiting Barnevernet County Committee intervention. Excerpts reposted with permission from professor Skanland’s page:

“When we left the country, I sent a mail to the leader of our child protection service Barnevernet, with a picture of over-joyed children in their seats on the plane on our way out of Europe. A great adventure for the smallest, while our eldest daughter was maybe the only one who understood fully that this was flight away from the people she had already hated for a good while. After a few months I rang our case handler back in Norway to say hello. The case handler said that in her opinion we had made a bad decision in leaving the country before the case was processed in the County Committee.

Let me be clear: Our children do not possess perfect parents. But now, after three years, the children are well-functioning both at school and at home. So can it be that Barnevernet was a bigger threat against the children’s lives than we the parents were? A dangerous thought, putting the whole Norwegian system in a bizarre light, if there was a morsel of something right about such a thought.

And then the local Barnevern leader, who has now quit, said in correspondence after we had left, that the care situation of the children was now “unsettled”, since we chose not to submit to negotiations in the County Committee.

It seemed almost as if “settling” the care situation for the children was a boon for children and adults alike.

I had to remind the Barnevern leader that he wanted to take the parents from the children, and that this was what was planned settled, not any other “clarification or settling of the care situation”.

On paper, families, children and parents apparently have fantastic protection under the law in these cases, and Mari Trommald and other child protection authorities try to hammer it into us on every occasion.

What then is the reason why our own trust in this system of justice is so low that some of us rather head for an uncertain future in a relatively unknown country, in a foreign culture, with a foreign language, rather than face a summary trial at a “court” which is even defined as something “resembling” a court? A “court” where the proximity to BUFETAT and the County Governor is so blatant that it is not unthinkable that they say good morning to one another and have lunch together? A “court” where we cannot stop an expert witness, whom we have already exposed and therefore irritated to breaking point, from witnessing, an expert who is in reality going to decide the fate of the children of parents against whom she probably feels more than average loathing.

A woman from the north of Norway was recently fined for having used an expression with [“…..”] to a Barnevern worker, probably because that was how she felt she herself had been treated. It is, however, of zero interest to our authorities that we as families feel run over (a nicer expression), and have no confidence in the processes which are to secure our interests being competent, meticulous, truth-seeking, honourable and objective.

In these cases nobody demands proof that the children’s lives will be better, because such a demand would immediately have reduced the number of cases of Barnevernet taking over the care to a fraction of what it is today, while at the same time making large parts of this stubborn and, in actual practice, unconquerable construction superfluous.

We seem to have forgotten where we were going while we were on the way there. Sometimes the transport is so pleasant that we do not care to reach our destination.

Power decides. From abroad we observe these primitive forces ravaging in Norway too, and that we are, on the deepest level, not any better than “these countries” we really despise but love to “help”, to force our “human rights” on, and to guide with our purse as bribery and temptation.

While sitting up to our ears in social “security” in Norway, we do not see it.”

Biola and Other Christian Universities Targeted by LGBT Agenda

It has been close to one year since the US Supreme Court made same-sex marriage the law of the land. The Court of course cannot make laws in the first place, but that is a discussion for another time.

Many thought it would be years before we see restrictions on churches and their ability to preach the gospel as it is written in the Bible, including sermons against homosexual practice. But some, including justices Scalia and Alito foresaw restrictions not only on churches but on Christian schools who uphold the traditional position on marriage and human relationships.

They were right.

The liberal legislature in California is trying to restrict funding to and potentially shut down Christian colleges like Biola University. These schools have sought exemptions from non-discrimination acts based on religious beliefs, but now those exemptions may be taken away if California lawmakers have their way.

Bills are being introduced targeting Biola, the flagship conservative evangelical university in California for discrimination against LGBT students. This is happening because Biola does not offer admissions for LGBT students and official recognition for LGBT associations and clubs on campus. Biola receives almost $3.7 million a year from the federal government which could be halted and the school potentially shut down for discrimination if these kind of bills are made into law.

Of note, many of these Christian universities also have religious exemptions banning co-habitation of unmarried couples and prohibiting admission to women who are pregnant out-of-wedlock.

The LGBT lobby in Sacramento wants to put an end to all of this “discrimination.”

They are not happy that Christian schools teach the Bible. They do not want Christian school to produce ministers who preach against their depraved view.

This is only the beginning. Wait until today’s elementary school students who are brainwashed in their classes by the LGBT agenda grow up and become our teachers, legislators and pastors.

Nevermind, that is already happening.

Today they are targeting schools for not enrolling open LGBT students. Tomorrow, churches.

Freedom of Religion Restricted by CPS in Norway

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This issue first came to light in the Bodnariu case where nosy teachers and social workers pressed the Bodnariu girls on theological issues taught in their family. Issues regarding sin, and God’s punishment of it. Based on the girls’ answers, CPS further probed them with leading questions which led to a 6 month confiscation ordeal. Religious matters were definitely a factor in this case, in a country that touts freedom of religion.

As we study more cases in Norway we gather more troubling findings.

The official religion in Norway is Protestant Christianity which practices infant baptism.  We have received reports of Barnevernet preventing confiscated children from being baptised. Infant baptism is a central doctrine in traditional Protestantism and it is restricted in Norway when Barnevernet gets involved.

Delight in Truth has obtained proof of this. The above logo is taken directly from a letter of baptism denial to a family who wished to have their child baptised. Here are some excerpts from said letter dated from 2015:

“… since the care situation is under judicial consideration, the future care situation is not clear. If there is to be a baptism carried out now, there will be a need for the interim foster parents to be present, and there will be monitoring carried out by the Child Protection Service. We have discussed the case, and recommend that the baptism of [***] be postponed until the case is finally decided in the courts, and the care situation has been clarified.

….The Child Protection Service therefore finds it difficult to facilitate a baptismal ceremony on […], 2015.

This is in effect a denial of standard religious practice. Just like the Bodnariu family was sanctioned for using the Bible as their ultimate guide for their life.

This is effective in a country where the Christian cross is pasted on its flag.

Maybe Barnevernet ought to recommend removal of the cross from the Norwegian flag.

Cruz-Avramescu Case: Child Protection Outrage in Norway

A bizarre situation illustrating the outrage against the Norwegian CPS has developed in Norway with a Norwegian-Romanian family.

In March 2014, the two boys (5 and 6 years old) of deaf parents Roberto Cruz and Andreea Avramescu were confiscated by Barnevernet after allegations of spanking at home. Spanking or corporal discipline is not considered child abuse throughout the world at large, but in Norway it is illegal.

There are a few things that make this case shocking for the average person reading its history. Apparently two different processes were opened against the parents, one social and one criminal. According to the news site Digi24, about 10 months after the confiscation, a judicial body has decided in favor of the Cruz-Avramescu family after finding no evidence of violence against the children.

This is what the world sees as a schizophrenic system. Even after a decision in favor of the family, Barnevernet has not followed said decision. Why even have these county commissions or judicial hearings if the CPS won’t even follow their rulings? It seems like Barnevernet is an autonomous state within a state.

What makes matters worse, about 9 months later in October 2015, while the boys have not been returned, a legal decision was handed down sentencing the parents to 5 months in prison and a total fine of 6,000 crowns. This is in the setting of a previous decision in favor of the family. Those punishments have not been carried out while appeals are in progress.

In the United States we call this double jeopardy and it is illegal. Once a defendant has been found not guilty, another court cannot come in and re-try the defendant for the same offense. But things are so confusing in Norway, that it appears double jeopardy is taking place when county boards and other judicial bodies try defendants on the same offense with opposite outcomes.

Now here is another head-turner. While all these confusing and contradicting judgements are carried out, in February 2016 the police began a process to deport Andreea Avramescu. Obviously they did not take into consideration the initial not guilty judgement.

The parental disability in this case further complicates matters. The Romanian Minister of External Affairs and the Romanian Embassy are involved in the case and have indicated that Norwegian authorities are claiming that by now the children are unable to communicate with their parents because they forgot sign language. How have we arrived at this sad situation? Ah, that’s right. The answer is that Barnevernet refused to follow the decision from January 2015 to return the children to their parents.

This is how you destroy a family, Norway-style 2016.

Who will hold Barnevernet responsible? That is the question that has no answer yet.

Let the Whole World Hear: The Kidnapping of an Infant in Norway

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Five police officers along with a social worker from Barnevernet stormed Margaret Hennum’s house. In true 1930’s Nazi style, they took Caspian, the above sleeping infant from his crib. In fact, this picture is taken not long before the kidnapping.

Context: Margaret is a neonatal intensive care nurse working in Norway and she has been housing Nadia and her infant son Caspian for the past month. Nadia has been discharged from a Mother’s Home in Norway about a month ago and she has been housed by Margaret’s family since then. Their story was published anonymously by Chris Reimers here. They are no longer anonymous. They are desperate after what they experienced today.

While Nadia was at an appointment, Barnevernet backed by police showed up and snatched the baby under the pretext that the baby does not have identification. Just like that. There was nothing Margaret with her credentials could do.

The police admitted that they didn’t really understand the situation, they just had orders that had to be carried out. No court orders were shown. No arrest warrants. No real motive. The family were just told that a mother and her son are being sought out. Margaret reports that the policeman in charge had a very sad and troubled look on his face, yet he went along with this terrible operation.

How can this happen in a modern civilized country?

I avoided referring to Norway and to Barnevernet as a Nazi system until now. I instructed all the speakers at the April 16th protest in Los Angeles not to mention any association between Norway’s CPS and Nazism or Fascism. We wanted to stay positive and constructive. We wanted to appeal to reason.

But this is too much.

This is what Nazis did in the 1930-40’s. They would storm houses looking for Jews and children of Jews. When they found them they would take them away. Forever.

It is exactly what the Norwegian CPS/Police extraction team performed today.

The entire world will now find out what happened in Brandal, Norway.

Thank you Margaret for your courage. Thank you Wings of the Wind, Agnus Dei and Steven Bennett for spreading the story.

Please share with everyone.

Pastor John Piper Comments on Norway Law and Bodnariu Case!

9am Plenary Wed 20 October 2010 Photo: Micah Chiang

A reader in Norway writes in: “Hello Pastor John, thank you for all that you have done for the kingdom and for this podcast. I have a question regarding child rearing. You have formerly said that you would go to jail over the issue of spanking. I agree with you that spanking is biblical. But in my home country, Norway, as well as in many other countries, spanking is illegal. The consequences would then not only be that one may have to go to jail, but that the government would take your children. This has now happened in the famous Bodnariu case where a couple in Norway lost their children after spanking them.

[UPDATE: The children have been returned].

In cases such as these, one may never get one’s children back again, because the government may not see you as a suitable parent because you spanked your children. What would you do as a Christian parent in Norway? Wouldn’t it be better to NOT spank your children and be sure that your children will never be taken away from you? This is a big issue with huge consequences for us in Norway.”

For sure, this is an important topic and has great consequence — and Norway is not the only country. You can go online and see a graph of the countries in Europe and around the world where it is illegal to spank, and that is only increasing.

I read about the Bodnariu case some time ago. The government took away five children from this family with, in my judgment, it seemed, no evidence of child abuse. I came away from that story feeling the way Jesus did in Mark 3:5 where it says, “He looked around at them with anger, grieved at their hardness of hard” — anger and grief, anger and grief, the mingling of those two emotions. You can’t help but feel them in this situation. All five children were seized by the Norwegian government and, as far as I can tell, there was no evidence of child abuse. It is an ideological difference about the best way to raise your kids.

And yes, I have said that I would go to jail over this. In other words, if they wanted to put me in prison because I believe that the best way to love my children was to spank them sometimes when they were disobedient, I wouldn’t sacrifice that conviction or that behavior to stay out of jail. But, of course, that kind of protest and threat is of no use when the person about to be put in prison is not yourself, but your children. And yes, I know they are not being put in jail. But the point is it is similar. They are being legally kidnapped from the family and put in places they don’t want to be. And so the willingness of the parents to go to jail is not the issue anymore. So when I said that, I probably wasn’t thinking as realistically as is proving to be the case.

So, the question for our friend in Norway — and other countries, I am sure — is: Should we risk losing our children to the high-handed tactics of the state, or should we relent in spanking our children? And, of course, there are many related questions that Christians in Norway and other countries are facing like: What does a pastor preach? I don’t know what the legal ramifications are if he preaches the true biblical teaching. Does he tell the people what the Bible says and encourage them to obey, or does he just ignore parts of the Bible, or does he show them how to compromise? How do parents teach their children the Scriptures? Do they skip those parts of the Bible in telling their children how to raise their children? And if they teach their children, what will they say if the children say: Why don’t you spank us since the Bible says you should?

Now, of course, the issues are far deeper than simply the nature of parental discipline. There is a view of human nature at work here that will have repercussions everywhere. There is a view of how to restrain bad behavior and get good behavior from children that the state evidently thinks is less psychologically damaging than simple, measured, loving spanking.

The issue here is not merely how kids behave in later life. Are they well-adjusted or maladjusted? That is not the main issue. But rather, the issue is how they view the whole world — especially themselves and God. That is the great issue, which, of course, the Norwegian government does not take into account, but which is the most important issue in the world. According to Hebrews 12, God himself uses corporal punishment. And treating kids differently will not serve well to help them know God and love God and believe in the God of Hebrews 12 and his holiness and his mercy. Of course, governments don’t take into account these great issues. They are only thinking at a very narrow, natural, historical, societal level — not a cosmic level, not an eternal level that includes heaven and hell and salvation and obedience to God and eternal destinies and the exaltation of the glory of God. None of that matters to governments, but it should matter infinitely to Christian parents.

So, if I lived in Norway, what would I do? I would pray earnestly for wisdom. I would not assume that this is a simple either-or situation. God is a God of wonders. God is a God of miracles. He has ways out of dilemmas that seem hopeless. We can’t think of any alternatives, but he can. He splits the Red Sea. That was an alternative nobody thought of. He stopped the sun in the sky. That was an alternative nobody thought of. He raises the dead. He walks on water. “All things are possible with God” (Mark 10:27). So I would pray earnestly that God would show me a way to be obedient to God and keep, keep, keep my children.

And if I really had to choose between spanking my children and losing them to the state and I knew it was a necessary choice, of course, I would choose keeping my children over spanking them. That is the answer he was looking for, probably.

This is not choosing disobedience over obedience, because it would be disobedient to surrender your children to the state. One thing is crystal clear in the Bible: God holds parents accountable for the raising of their children, not the state — which leads to one other consideration: leaving a country where you can’t exercise your faith legally. America was founded by people who did that. They left their homelands so that they could exercise their faith in the way that they thought they should, and they were coming to an absolute wilderness. Half of them died in the process, which shows how important it was. And I have had people come to my church here in Minneapolis, Minnesota, USA from Europe because they wanted to homeschool their children and weren’t allowed to in the country they came from. I know it is happening today.

So, I will pray for my brothers and sisters in lands like Norway where increasingly unjust and evil laws put the Christian between two terrible choices. And we are all moving toward that situation, and we will need great courage and great wisdom.

Taken from Desiring God (here)

Photo: Micah Chiang

Professor Marianne H. Skanland’s Discourse at Anti-Barnevernet Protest in Oslo June 11th 2016

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Barnevernet – what must happen now?

(source mhskanland.net) 
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Speech held at Eidsvolls plass before Stortinget (the Norwegian parliament)
in Oslo, on 11 June 2016
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What must be done for Norway to achieve a child protection service which protects children?

We have come some way in that many more thousands of people, in many countries, now know how the Norwegian system operates to the detriment of children and parents.
What is the next thing we need?

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Let us think back to the last local elections. There was a trial project going in some municipalities: Young people down to 16 were allowed to vote.
Very well.
At the same time these 16-year-olds are not allowed to decide where to live? At least not if Barnevernet has confiscated them. Barnevernet holds them by force until they are 18.

So what must happen?

The government must announce something we can call an amnesty.
Under normal conditions an amnesty is something given to people who have broken the law. That is not the case here. But for children who long for home but are held captive in foster homes and institutions against their will, and without having done anything criminal, this is punishment. It is as if they and their parents are doing something criminal by wanting to be together.
So the abolishment of this duress is an amnesty.

The government must issue a clear order that all foster children who want to, can go home to their families freely, and will if necessary receive help to get home. Do not let foster persons try to pressure them, or impose conditions, or stop them taking their favourite teddy-bear with them, or keep back a pet of theirs in the foster home.

Instruct the police that Barnevernet no longer has the authority to call upon them to fetch children from their parents with force when the children themselves want to be with their parents. Regardless of age, every foster child who says it wants to go home, must have the right to go home. Without delay.
Those children who want to continue in foster homes, shall of course also have the freedom to do so, but not the freedom to speak on behalf of all those who want to go home.

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And then one more step:

Again we should think back. This time back to the time when the Soviet Union had begun practicing “glasnost’” (openness). In 1988, Gorbachev cancelled the yearly exams in the subject history! Down at school level.
Why?
When accurate information was available in the Soviet Union, it became clear that one could not continue with the incorrect version of history which a faulty ideology had led to. New textbooks were needed, and new teaching, from basics.

In the same way our country must put a stop to the present teaching of Barnevern going on in the colleges.
New students of child protection are due to start classes in the autumn. The same teaching is also dished out to kindergarten personnel, to law students, to the police and many other professions.
It must be stopped and the present text book literature done away with. Teaching personnel who promote today’s understanding of how children are protected, must be prevented from doing so.
It is bad enough that it will take time to replace child protection workers who practice a harmful ideology. But we must at least prevent new classes of students being taught the same thing.
Quite new, different resources must be enlisted, new textbooks, new personnel to take students on for practice, so that we can end the harmful actions which today’s Barnevern so often carry out.

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There is a whole series of things which must be done for families in Norway to become safe against obliteration by our own country’s authorities. But the two things I have mentioned here are among the most important to get off the ground.

Thank you!

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References:

History Tests Canceled for Soviet Youngsters :
Decision, Affecting 53 Million, Will Provide Time to Correct Stalinist ‘Lies,’ Izvestia Says

Los Angeles Times, 11 June 1988

Moscow Summit: Unmaking History and Debating Rights;
Soviet Pupils Spared Exams While History Is Rewritten

New York Times, 31 May 1988

Mikhail Gorbachev’s Glasnost
OnThisDay.com, no date

Barnevernet Observed “My Daughter Hugging Me a Lot…”

Delight in Truth commentator Julian Chan writes:

“My 11-year-old daughter was observed hugging me a lot, which Barnevernet interpreted as flirting. At least they acknowledged that I didn’t initiate it, but still they accused me of not putting a stop to it, telling me that it’s only OK to sit down and put an arm around her occasionally.

My daughter was devastated when I told her what they had said. Perhaps it’s different in different cultures, but in my view a father and daughter can hug and show affection without either of them seeing it as incestuous. In our case it’s just a “I’m glad that you’re here with me” sign.

According to my experiences with bv, it’s better to just leave Norway if you ever get involved with them. If there’s no obvious problem they’ll find one to escalate. If they don’t find one they’ll invent one and look for evidence that could support it. In my year(s) of contact, they were implementing “guidance” and “help measures” but still even now have not properly defined what they have been concerned about.

But now that my daughter has fled the country due to bv – and I will be following – I guess we’ll never know for sure.”

United Kingdom: Legal Intimidation in the Florin Barbu Case

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Not only is Florin Barbu being threatened with jail time by proceedings in the London Borough of Haringey family court for posting pictures of his children and information about the homosexual couple who is trying to adopt his children, but now the lawyers against Mr Barbu have taken it to the next level.

Threatening letters went out to Facebook users on the other side of the world who shared Mr Barbu’s posts, asking them to seek urgent legal advice because they are being taken to court. 

Following his children’s confiscation by the British CPS, Florin Barbu has not seen them in over a year. He protested his children’s upcoming forced adoption with an 18 day hunger strike in France in front the European Court of Human Rights, but his failing health caused him to stop the hunger strike and continue a regular protest.

He has been posting videos everyday updating a large following on Facebook about how the system is stacked against him, defying family court orders to not post pictures of his children.

There are many things gone wrong in this case, but this latest intimidation tactic toward random Facebook users who are not even under British jurisdiction seems comical.

First of all, the children in question are not British citizens. They are Romanian citizens and they should be returned to the Romanian government who can place them with family. It is unclear at this time whether significant proceedings have begun on behalf of the Romanian government to recuperate their citizens.

Second, Mr. Barbu is being threatened with jail by a UK court, but he is not in the UK. He is protesting in France, hoping that the ECofHR or some European Union body will help expose his case and help him at least get the children back to their mother.

Third, there is this little concept called freedom of speech, a basic human right still in effect on social media sites. As far as I know. I see people sharing videos of Muslims decapitating Christians in Syria, all kinds of rants against authority, indecent content, etc, without being censored… but now people are being sanctioned for exercising their freedom of expression on the internet? People are being taken to court because they shared a post on Facebook?

This actually shows the weakness of the UK CPS, a similar weakness found in the Norwegian Barnevernet. They are afraid of exposure. They are afraid that people will start digging into their proceedings and find children are being confiscated without merit. They are afraid that the ECofHR will pick up their cases and the world is going to find out about human rights violations.

In the wake of the Bodnariu victory, the Romanian government needs to step up and help Florin Barbu recover his children.

THE RISE AND FALL (?) OF THE NORWEGIAN CPS

Chris Reimers is publishing this story and subsequent analysis of the Norwegian CPS:

by Elsa Christensen

Part 1

It is Ascension day, Thursday the fifth of May, this year. A mother walks through the gates of Vilde “Home for Mothers,” never to return.

She takes her son with her, a boy of about five months.

The next days will be the first days that the mother and the baby get to be together without any public surveillance in a governmental institution, surveillance by the CPS […]

Continue reading below…

via THE RISE AND FALL (?) OF THE NORWEGIAN CPS — Wings of the Wind