Should Pentatonix be Promoted by Christians?

Pentatonix

My social media feeds have been inundated this past month with videos of Christian carols by the band Pentatonix. The first time I saw the Pentatonix video of the carol song “Mary, Did You Know” I was impressed by the vocal talent in the production, but something didn’t seem right. They did not strike me as portraying the image of the average evangelical Christian artist.  It is almost unheard for a Christian artist to be promoted on the world’s stage like this.

Well, thank God for the common grace of Google.

While at least one member of the band publicly claims to be a Christian, two other members are openly gay.  Furthermore the band is active in promoting the LGBTQ agenda.  All this at the same time as taking advantage of the evangelical Christian market which may be their top target in selling albums.

But, hey, it’s a free country and anyone can do what they want as long as they do not break the law and/or hurt others, as the old progressive principle holds. Delight in Truth does not have a problem with Pentatonix and their rebellion against the moral code of Scripture, as much as with the Evangelical crowd which claims to be under the authority of Scripture and who loves Pentatonix.

Dear Christians, if you find the Word of God as inspired and authoritative, please stop buying, promoting, liking, posting, and applauding these Pentatonix videos. Would you listen daily to an openly gay pastor who promotes the LGBTQ lifestyle and preaches “really good?” If no, then why promote Pentatonix?

The false gospel of acceptance has made its way into the church via music and artistic expression, and now we are reaping the consequences. Scripture is being challenged and disregarded on the issue of sexual morality, and especially homosexuality.  Large churches like the Presbyterian Church USA and Evangelical Lutheran Church have blown up over the issue, and the Anglican Church (80 million members) is next.

As time goes by, more and more churches will concede and accept into membership and even ordain those who identify with and practice the LGBTQ lifestyle in open rebellion to Scripture.  On the other hand it has to be this way. As we get closer to the Second Coming of Christ the warning given by apostle Peter stands true: “that scoffers will come in the last days with scoffing, following their own sinful desires.”

We must stand true to Scripture. We must stand with those who hold it as authoritative, and not with those who rebel against.

photo by Jiro Schneider

174 comments on “Should Pentatonix be Promoted by Christians?

    • I recently discovered Pentatonix and have been inspired by their beautiful renditions of especially their Christmas music. I could not care less if they are gay or straight, black or white, tall or short, etc. We are all made in the image of God and he has given this group a wonderful sacred gift. Enough legalism! Christ is all about love, not judgmentalism and condemnation. That was the Pharisees’ gig.

      • I think you should read the Scriptures again. God is all about being judgmental and condemning those who break His Laws. Scripture clearly states that a man shall not lay with another man as he does a woman. Not sure how much more clear cut that can be. False prophets will lead you astray. There arent any Scriptures that read, a man shall not be black, nor any that state a man shall not grow taller than six feet, or a man shall not quit growing before he is six feet. Use your mind, with all the current battles being waged against Judaeo-Christian values, why is this group being exalted by those waging the battles against Christianity? May God bless you and guide you through the darkness.

        • Read this and agree with everything you said. It cannot get more clear cut than what is said in Bible. Also, Scripture says Sodom and Gomorrah was burnt down for this very reason.
          Just wanted to add that false prophets lead people astray, but that’s not what is primarily mentioned about them in Scriptures. They are mentioned as a result of people who already decided to leave the truth and revel in darkness- 2 Timothy 4:3-4. So the audiences of these false gospel preachers are not unsuspecting spiritual victims but the very cause of such people to come to fame.

        • Well TD I have 2 sons who are over 6 feet tall should I condemn them too. All of you people who feel the need to be bible pushers need to go back under the rock you came from and emerged into the real world the now . I just can not believe how detrimental people are they days…. A BEAUTIFUL SONG IS A BEAUTIFUL SONG So get over it. They may love someone like themselves but they are not killing anyone stop being judgmental you will one day be judged yourself

      • Amen brother! U r so right we are to love them & pray for them & support the efforts to see that the offer of Jesus eternal salvation does not pass them up! While we’re obedient to God’s word we can lovingly share with them the love of God & the alternative in which God in his own words have prepared a eternal lake of fire for
        those who by there own choice seek pervertion as they sing to an empty holy room & sadly the wicked minded that listens & is supporting there homosexual choice which leads only to destruction. I hope God can reach out to use there talents to be a blessing to others instead misleading many to think that it’s OK to love & let love.

      • Genesis 19King James Version (KJV)

        19 And there came two angels to Sodom at even; and Lot sat in the gate of Sodom: and Lot seeing them rose up to meet them; and he bowed himself with his face toward the ground;

        2 And he said, Behold now, my lords, turn in, I pray you, into your servant’s house, and tarry all night, and wash your feet, and ye shall rise up early, and go on your ways. And they said, Nay; but we will abide in the street all night.

        3 And he pressed upon them greatly; and they turned in unto him, and entered into his house; and he made them a feast, and did bake unleavened bread, and they did eat.

        4 But before they lay down, the men of the city, even the men of Sodom, compassed the house round, both old and young, all the people from every quarter:

        5 And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them.

        6 And Lot went out at the door unto them, and shut the door after him,

        7 And said, I pray you, brethren, do not so wickedly.

        8 Behold now, I have two daughters which have not known man; let me, I pray you, bring them out unto you, and do ye to them as is good in your eyes: only unto these men do nothing; for therefore came they under the shadow of my roof.

        9 And they said, Stand back. And they said again, This one fellow came in to sojourn, and he will needs be a judge: now will we deal worse with thee, than with them. And they pressed sore upon the man, even Lot, and came near to break the door.

        10 But the men put forth their hand, and pulled Lot into the house to them, and shut to the door.

        11 And they smote the men that were at the door of the house with blindness, both small and great: so that they wearied themselves to find the door.

        12 And the men said unto Lot, Hast thou here any besides? son in law, and thy sons, and thy daughters, and whatsoever thou hast in the city, bring them out of this place:

        13 For we will destroy this place, because the cry of them is waxen great before the face of the Lord; and the Lord hath sent us to destroy it.

        14 And Lot went out, and spake unto his sons in law, which married his daughters, and said, Up, get you out of this place; for the Lord will destroy this city. But he seemed as one that mocked unto his sons in law.

        15 And when the morning arose, then the angels hastened Lot, saying, Arise, take thy wife, and thy two daughters, which are here; lest thou be consumed in the iniquity of the city.

        16 And while he lingered, the men laid hold upon his hand, and upon the hand of his wife, and upon the hand of his two daughters; the Lord being merciful unto him: and they brought him forth, and set him without the city.

        17 And it came to pass, when they had brought them forth abroad, that he said, Escape for thy life; look not behind thee, neither stay thou in all the plain; escape to the mountain, lest thou be consumed.

        18 And Lot said unto them, Oh, not so, my Lord:

        19 Behold now, thy servant hath found grace in thy sight, and thou hast magnified thy mercy, which thou hast shewed unto me in saving my life; and I cannot escape to the mountain, lest some evil take me, and I die:

        20 Behold now, this city is near to flee unto, and it is a little one: Oh, let me escape thither, (is it not a little one?) and my soul shall live.

        21 And he said unto him, See, I have accepted thee concerning this thing also, that I will not overthrow this city, for the which thou hast spoken.

        22 Haste thee, escape thither; for I cannot do anything till thou be come thither. Therefore the name of the city was called Zoar.

        23 The sun was risen upon the earth when Lot entered into Zoar.

        24 Then the Lord rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the Lord out of heaven;

        25 And he overthrew those cities, and all the plain, and all the inhabitants of the cities, and that which grew upon the ground.

        26 But his wife looked back from behind him, and she became a pillar of salt.

        27 And Abraham gat up early in the morning to the place where he stood before the Lord:

        28 And he looked toward Sodom and Gomorrah, and toward all the land of the plain, and beheld, and, lo, the smoke of the country went up as the smoke of a furnace.

        29 And it came to pass, when God destroyed the cities of the plain, that God remembered Abraham, and sent Lot out of the midst of the overthrow, when he overthrew the cities in the which Lot dwelt.

        30 And Lot went up out of Zoar, and dwelt in the mountain, and his two daughters with him; for he feared to dwell in Zoar: and he dwelt in a cave, he and his two daughters.

        31 And the firstborn said unto the younger, Our father is old, and there is not a man in the earth to come in unto us after the manner of all the earth:

        32 Come, let us make our father drink wine, and we will lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our father.

        33 And they made their father drink wine that night: and the firstborn went in, and lay with her father; and he perceived not when she lay down, nor when she arose.

        34 And it came to pass on the morrow, that the firstborn said unto the younger, Behold, I lay yesternight with my father: let us make him drink wine this night also; and go thou in, and lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our father.

        35 And they made their father drink wine that night also: and the younger arose, and lay with him; and he perceived not when she lay down, nor when she arose.

        36 Thus were both the daughters of Lot with child by their father.

        37 And the first born bare a son, and called his name Moab: the same is the father of the Moabites unto this day.

        38 And the younger, she also bare a son, and called his name Benammi: the same is the father of the children of Ammon unto this day.

    • I truly think that the post is egotistical…. I happen to love the voices in Hallelujah which has drawn me to listen to this group. I think this world is to too judgmental and God does not disgrace us if we care for someone who is not traditional. I am a married (to a man) woman Mother of 4 who thinks people need to get real and stop putting down people for what they’re choices are. I personally think the author of this article is jealous that they do not have the talent, the voice nor the fame the the group Pentatonix has. Stop hating on things that are not what we grew up with and except some things that happen now in this world if not then I feel sorry for you. You will never grow to ful potential you are stuck in a past that is gone. This group is beautiful in every form of the word vocally and artistically keep doing what you do many of us here appreciate it even if others love in the Stone Age God loves you for who you are

        • I am not worried about the scriptures. I think people that think like you make the world sad, make women afraid and make men feel awesome. Watched it happen with a family member and it made me feel like a cult. I know where I will be when I pass and it will in a kingdom with me.y Lord. My Lord Jesus Christ. I am expressing my thoughts and feelings as all of you are and this is allowed. Thank you God bless

      • So, asking you for scriptural support is ‘judgmental?! Oh my….
        Now, you claim you are not worried about the scriptures. That tells me you came here to climb on your soapbox and pass judgment, ‘I truly think that the post is egotistical’ , you do the very thing you accuse others of – pass judgment. You claim we need to stop putting people down for what their choices are – so you have no problem with sin? Who is your ‘god’?

        Any true follower of Christ will speak out against sin and warn sinners to flee the wrath to come. The ‘feel good’ god of many is all lovey dovey, sadly, the attributes of the God of the Bible are foreign to most. Most create a god in their minds that’s all love and they neglect the holiness of the Most High. God will punish all who blatantly sin against Him.

        Lyn

      • “All of you people who feel the need to be bible pushers need to go back under the rock you came from and emerged into the real world the now”

        I must ask, how much do you value the word of God? It is obvious your emotions are running a muck. You attack others here based on those emotions because you like Pentatonix. This isn’t even about their music. From the article – “While at least one member of the band publicly claims to be a Christian, two other members are openly gay. Furthermore the band is active in promoting the LGBTQ agenda.” Let me point this out again, – “What are the advantages and disadvantages of being one of two gay members of Pentatonix?
        There are actually more advantages than disadvantages. I think it’s a great thing. I love that our fans are so accepting of it. It’s amazing; it makes me feel so close to them.
        Some people might say that being openly gay in the music business might deter you from having a career, but I don’t think that’s true. My career, as a queer person, has been pretty successful. We’re still on our way up, but I think we’ve been doing an amazing job. I love the support. I’m proud.” source – https://thegavoice.com/mitch-grassi-of-pentatonix-on-being-gay-in-the-cool-a-cappella-band/

        If they want to be homosexual, that’s on them. But, if they claim to be Christian and still practice this abomination, then those who belong to Christ must call them out and warn the elect of God.

        • Neither God nor Jesus themselves have condemned homosexuality. Our Lord has said himself that besides loving God above all things, loving our neighbors is the most important commandment. How can it be a sin if these people are genuinely happy and in love as much as any straight couple? How can you tell me that this is an abomination? There are rude atheists, rude heterosexuals, rude homosexuals, and rude Christians. Why does who they love matter? They are still the person they always were. And how do you think that makes them feel, when Christians go around saying that they are sinful for being who they are and saying that they’re going to hell? We are supposed to be the light of the world, helping others get brighter, but instead we are extinguishing their lights.The Bible was written thousands of years ago by humans, imperfect humans. Humans who have denied basic rights for people because of their gender or the color of their skin. Women have been degraded in the Bible, but look at how we are respected as men are now.
          So tell me, if your child was homosexual/transgender, and you raised them as a Christian, and that child believed in God, when they come out to you, will you say that they are not Christian because of who they love? When they have not murdered stolen or committed adultery? Would you stop buying them clothes, food, or supporting them in every way? That is what is article is telling you to do to your brothers and sisters. We are told to give pity to those in prison who have sinned and you can still not forgive someone for loving.

        • I am responding from the computer at my workplace, so my moniker will look different…….

          to ‘don’t’ – you claim this “Neither God nor Jesus themselves have condemned homosexuality.” You could not be more wrong! From Leviticus 18:22- “Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.” Abomination means detestable, loathsome. Same sex is despicable to a thrice holy God, as His word clearly states. Now, read Matthew 15:19,20 – For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies:These are the things which defile a man” Christ himself taught what ‘defiles’ or makes unclean. Take note of ‘fornications’ -This includes ANY sex outside of what God designed between a husband and a wife – including two men or two women engaged in same sex sex.

          Now, stating that homosexuals ‘love’ is another error on your part. From Romans 1:27, ” And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another”. The phrase ‘burned in their lust’ describes what homosexuals base their sin on, and it isn’t love. This is a raging, unnatural drive that they have to ‘satisfy’ their raging sexual appetite. This lust is not normal at all, it is a longing, a craving like no other.
          Take note of this, ‘leaving the natural use’. Homosexuals turn from what is natural, or ‘according to nature, inborn’. At birth, God instills in each one the ‘natural way’, it is when that truth is suppressed and rejected the homosexual follows after what goes against nature.

          You apparently have no clue to the truth found in God’s word concerning sexual sin, particularly homosexual sin. Everything you stated is nothing more than your opinion, which does not come close to God’s actual truth.

          The bible commands sinners to repent of their wickedness and believe on Christ, may God cause you to see your wickedness of defending what He calls an abomination.

        • Ma’am I do have respect for you that you stick up for your faith, but I do not appreciate your condescension nor you inability to answer the questions I have asked you. I am sorry that I had not found Leviticus 18:22 beforehand but have since researched it extensively (and have seen that it is a controversial topic). I am not suggesting that God is wrong, rather I think that words have gotten lost in translation.
          When you say that LGBTQ+ people do not love, you, ma’am, could not be more wrong. I have seen kindness and compassion from every sexuality. Being homosexual does not mean that it is some sin that develops in you, rather, you were born homosexual. I have seen people try to deny their sexuality because they were scared to be themselves. It is not lust, but love. If homosexuals only wanted their own gender for sexual actions, and shallow pleasure, why would they build relationships? If they are “burning with lust”, why would they get married and adopt kids? If they are like you believe they are, they would go around to person to person, only satisfying their lust. So no, it is not lust, it is love.
          I would like to remind you that because you don’t agree with the way a person acts, that doesn’t mean that they are terrible people. Pentatonix have made beautiful songs that make you know what music is about. You must have friend that are of a different political party, but do you damn and shun them?
          Your not agreeing with homosexuality is fine because everybody has a right to their opinions. What is not alright is the fact that you condemn people that you don’t know because of who they love.

        • to ‘don’t’-

          How is quoting the word of God verbatim ‘lost in translation’?!?
          Read it again, ‘Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.’ Now, let’s get the original Hebrew – shakab- to lie down;zakar- male; ishshah- woman, wife, female; toebah – abomination: source – http://biblehub.com/hebrew/8441.htm
          The only way you can misinterpret this is if you twist the truth to ‘fit’ your own opinions.

          As for love, I didn’t say they don’t love, God did. They ‘burn in their lust’, that’s what these perversions are rooted in and based on, according to God Almighty.

          You have no desire for God’s truth, you only come here to push forth a homosexual agenda that is in direct violation with God and His truth. You need to repent of all of your vileness and plead with God to save you, or else you will face eternal wrath. Christ died and rose from the dead to reconcile sinners back to a holy God-a God who will NOT tolerate any sin of any kind – no exceptions, no excuses. Your human wisdom is worthless when compared to God’s truth, which will stand the test of time.

          Here is what the Bible says about the heart of every man/woman, “The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?” Jeremiah 17:9
          The heart is the mind, thoughts, intentions, will – the whole ‘inner man’. Notice what it says, ‘deceitful’, which means full of trickery. Desperately wicked means ‘incurable, sick. This is the case with every person ever born, they are depraved in their thinking which leads to comments like the ones you make. You defend and excuse what God calls sin. Then you attempt to blame it on faulty translations, even though you were given multiple verses. Here’s another one for you, “Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God. ” 1 Corinthians 6:9-10

          This isn’t whether or not I ‘agree’ with homosexuality, this is what God says about it; and this musical group claims to be ‘Christian’. Read the post before you go off on a tangent. They can sin to their hearts content, but be made aware, they are NOT Christians and God WILL judge all who continue on in rebellious, willful sin.

        • You can call me wicked and “vile” but you do not have the right to judge and damn those who you do not know. You do not have the right to say who is and who isn’t Christian. You do not have the right to say that I have no desire for God’s truth. These are what God does, not you.
          You have failed to answer any moral questions that I have asked you and proceded to be condecending beyond belief. God gave us free will for a reason, but it is not to hate those who obviously do not undersand and use your religion as excuse to hate and as a way to bully people. I am fully aware of what the Bible says(seeing as you have reminded me ever so gracfully many, many times) but seeing as it was written THOUSANDS OF YEARS AGO, yes, I do believe that something could have gotten ‘lost in translation’. It was written by humans, who have all sinned.
          ‘Burning in lust’. Interesting. People ‘burning in lust’ do not fight for the right to get married when they could have sexual relations with anyone. People ‘burning in lust’ do not make room for children in their lives. People ‘burning in lust’ would not cry if their spouse had died because they could ust find another to satisfy their lust. So tell me one more time that they are burning in lust because that proves tht you have never met a homosexual before while looking at them through eyes of love. We are called to love, not to judge those who have sinned, because we all have. I love and trust God with all of my heart, yet you say that I do not desire God’s truth. Once again, you do not decide who is a Christian and you cannot ignore the faith of myself and other Christians who support LGBTQ+ rights.
          Pentatonix has created beautiful music of which no one can deny. Does the fact that they ‘sinned for being homosexual’ defile their beautiful music? Do they not have the right to live life or believe in the Savior? Are you denying them human rights?
          Seeing as I am ‘wicked’ and ‘vile’ already, I may as well say that you repel me. Christianity is forgiveness and sharing God’s love, yet you have the audacity to condemn others in ways only the Lord should. Besides not answering numerous questions, you have ignored that the main fact is that Jesus has said that besides loving God, loving other is the most important thing.

        • “You can call me wicked and “vile” but you do not have the right to judge and damn those who you do not know.” First of all, I only repeated what the Bible says about ALL of mankind – “Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon.” Isaiah 55:7
          “For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God” Romans 3:23
          Acts 8:22
          Repent therefore of this thy wickedness, and pray God, if perhaps the thought of thine heart may be forgiven thee.
          Isaiah 1:16
          Wash you, make you clean; put away the evil of your doings from before mine eyes; cease to do evil” If you read the bible you see God calls sinners wicked, evil, etc.

          The bible commands the elect of God to examine fruit. You cannot be a practicing homosexual and a Christian, as the word of God plainly teaches – “Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 1Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.” 1 Cor. 6:9-11. Take note of verse 11 -‘such WERE some of you’, that is a past tense verb, meaning those who belong to Christ no longer partake in the sins mentioned in the prior verses.

          You also claim ” God gave us free will for a reason” – can you provide scriptural support for this?

          What questions have I not answered?

          As for ‘burning with lust’, your problem is not with me, it is with God. He is the one who said what drives the homosexual. Your refusal to believe the Bible is evident. You want to cherry pick the verses that make you feel comfortable in your sins, but you gnash your teeth at the verses that expose sin for what it is and sinners for what we all are unless God intervenes with His saving grace.

          You repeatedly accuse me of ‘judging’, yet, in doing so, you judge me! I give God’s word and the definitions of meanings, how is that ‘judging’? I would recommend you do a word study on ‘judging’ before you accuse others of doing what you yourself are guilty of.

          “Christianity is forgiveness and sharing God’s love, yet you have the audacity to condemn others in ways only the Lord should. Besides not answering numerous questions, you have ignored that the main fact is that Jesus has said that besides loving God, loving other is the most important thing.” It is obvious you’ve ignored the commands throughout scripture concerning repentance, sin, wrath, etc.

          The gospel of Christ isn’t that God loves, it is a command to repent and believe on the atoning sacrifice of Christ, to be reconciled through Him to God. “From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.” Matt. 4:17
          God loves His elect, those He chooses to save. Do remember this, “Jacob I loved, Esau I hated”. God does not love everyone, you’ve created a ‘god’ of your own imagination. You haven’t a clue how vile mankind is, and you haven’t a clue who the God of the Bible is. You give no scriptural support for anything you state, yet you condemn me for speaking God’s truth and accuse me falsely. Again, your argument is not with me, it is with God and what He says about sin, sinners, wrath, etc.

          If you wish to continue to engage, then support your views with Scripture.

        • Let’s address this from your previous comment, “The Bible was written thousands of years ago by humans, imperfect humans.” – the bible proves you wrong, “All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness” 2 Timothy 3:16. Notice what that verse says, ‘ALL scripture is given by inspiration of who? God. You want to argue in favor of homosexuality, and you want to discredit God and His truth. When His truth is given, you react by denying, gnashing your teeth, and falsely accusing. The Bible calls homosexuality a sin- God commands sinners to repent and believe on Christ. Here are the scripture references – 1 Cor. 6:9-11; Lev. 18:22, Matt. 15:19-20; Acts 17:30.

          Take note of this, from Romans 5:6, “For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.” Notice what the bible calls sinners here, ‘ungodly’. This is all of mankind. Now, look at Genesis 6:5, “And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.” That is a picture of EVERY human heart. How would you like every thought you’ve ever had played on a big screen for all to see? Would you be okay with that? Why or why not?

          Humans who have denied basic rights for people because of their gender or the color of their skin. -What does that have to do with homosexuality?

          Women have been degraded in the Bible, but look at how we are respected as men are now. – Can you show some verses that prove this to be true?

          So tell me, if your child was homosexual/transgender, and you raised them as a Christian, and that child believed in God, when they come out to you, will you say that they are not Christian because of who they love? -First of all, IF my child was truly born again by God, they would NOT be homosexual/transgender. They would know what genuine repentance is and would flee from those sins. So your question isn’t even valid.

          When they have not murdered stolen or committed adultery? Would you stop buying them clothes, food, or supporting them in every way? – My children are sinners, like me. The difference between them and me is God’s grace, which has done a supernatural work in me. So, even though they are sinners, I still love them, I still provide for them, and I still do all God expects me as a parent to do.

  1. Are we to do the same with those who are gluttons, as well? There goes Tony Gore. How about pride? Gossip? How can we cast the first stone when our own eyes hold many planks?

    • If you want to discuss a lifestyle of sin, why not? This is more about open rebellion against the Word of God and NOT promoting someone who is PROUD about such rebellion (Pentatonix). That is if you accept the Bible as authoritative.

      Welcome here!

      • I agree that the Bible does indeed tell us that Homosexuality, and the acceptance of Homosexuality is wrong, and agents God. However the Bible does also say to NEVER condemn others!

        “There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.” -Romans 8

        So one of the points I would like to make is that even though Mitch Grassi, and Scott Hoying are openly gay, that does not mean that the whole band is sportive of this sexuality. Keven ( the Beatboxer of the group) is a Christian, and I’d assume does not approve of Homosexuality. Why I say that it doesn’t mean all members agree with Homosexuality, is because most Christians know that condemnation of another is WRONG! I’m not saying that all members beleave this though. I do not know if Kirsten, of Avi are Christians.

        I’m just trying to point out that not everyone supports a person likes, or thinks Homosexuality is right. I will say that you cannot say that just because the Heterosexual people in the group hang with these Homosexuals, mean that they are not Christians. Jesus himself hung around the sinners of the world, be he did not EVER condemn them.

        I’m not saying you are condemning, but I’d like to point it out.

        By the way check out this article on Keven and how he’s truely a Christian. http://mstarsnews.musictimes.com/articles/14604/20130618/pentatonix-kevin-olusola-christian-talks-negotiating-christianity-world-pop-music.htm

        God Bless

        • Not condemning and promoting are two different things.
          not promoting and condemning are two different things either.

          I don’t think that this band is to be promoted. However I don’t say they were to be condemned.

        • You need to look at the verse you quoted. The verse applies to those who are in Christ Jesus who are characterized by walking after the spirit, not homosexual flesh. Those who are outside Christ do not need to be condemned for they are condemned already. See John 3. Now also what about the principle of not being unequally yoked with non-believers. To stand and join in with those in abject rebellion against Christ and the Bible is abhorrent! Why do you feel the need to make excuses and question Christians rather than take a stand for truth? Wake up!

    • Not the same. Not all sins are created equal. Even Jesus recognizes that in John 19 11

      I am sure you will agree with me that there is a difference between someone killing you in his thoughts and taking a gun and actually doing it.

      • Look and see if Michelangelo was a devout believer, and yet he was commissioned to paint every inch of the Sistine chapel in the Vatican because of his undeniable talent…only the best for God. Pentatonix are excellent, enjoy them, relax, just like the millions of Christians who marvel at the Sistine Chapel in Rome. Nothing of man is pure, never has been, never will be, there is only Christ.

      • Equal or Unequal, I cant really think of a reason this would provide much implication in my walk… Can you expand on why this should be important to me? I feel all sins are bad to say the least and deter us from experiencing the relationship with Jesus he wanted for us. I hope this doesn’t come out wrong and I don’t offend anyone (btw this is my first blog ever to be a part of – etiquette to follow shortly :))…Positive criticism happily accepted. But the application of severity levels to certain sins seems to only create a hierarchical system where I can rate my righteousness to that of other people, Christians and non-Christians alike. Furthermore, we would need to know Gods “severity-map” on the sins to even be able to think in that manner. My non-christian friends complain hypocrisy as their leading issue toward Christianity; craziness!… its not the idea of a God who has no beginning or end, infinitely loving, who created the whole universe from nothing… all that, and He still wants…nix that, passionately desires a relationship with us. Its not God that causes uneasiness with unbelievers, its the people who are supposed to be demonstrating Gods love. Oh geez, sorry for the book ya’ll…

        Focused summary: having certain sins weigh more heavily than others provides a system for us to feel more righteous than others, thereby allowing us a system to invent and convey judgement… And with that judgement, follows a wave of irritated possible-recruits at our hypocrisy.

        I promise that the next one I will try to keep it more concise… Peace, Ya’ll – I look forward to discussion and enlightenment.

        • All sin is sin before a holy God. It is a pharisee who feels more righteous than others because he thinks his goodness will save him. We must look at the entirety of the scriptures.

          29 But Peter and the apostles answered, “We must obey God rather than men. 30 The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom you had put to death by hanging Him on a cross. 31 He is the one whom God exalted to His right hand as a Prince and a Savior, to grant repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins. 32 And we are witnesses of these things; and so is the Holy Spirit, whom God has given to those who obey Him.” Acts 5

          Obedience is important to our Holy God. Obedience leads one to turn away from sin. This, as you know, is called repentance. One finds this concept throughout the scriptures. To obey, however, one has to know the truth of God’s Word.

          You will only learn the truth through a study of God’s Word.

          33 “But seek first His kingdom and His righteousness, and all these things will be added to you.”

          This verse has served me well.

        • I am a teacher in America, ripsimeh. I’ve never had to teach homosexuality to kids. If in America, where are you teaching?

        • I hope this posts in the right spot, Im a little confused about how this all works… Anyway, Ill figure it out eventually. Thank you for the responses! I am intimidated by everyone’s knowledge and your ability to quote specific bible versus. My responses were ultimately opinion and perfect-world scenarios. The opinions, however, were based on my lifelong (35 years) objectivity and irritation of disconnects within Christianity and the denominations. It just seems like it has gotten out of control chaotic and taken the focus off whats important; the relationship.

          Chris: Thank you for the advice and verses. I am in the seeking phase again. Why I chose this site to begin is beyond me 🙂 Over the duration of my life I have been involved in many bible studies. I was raised Lutheran and attended church weekly with midweek studies and eventually confirmation. My life has been chaotic and I believe God has allowed this low point in my life so that I have no alternative except to seek him out again. I am definitely planning on dusting off my bible and getting into the meat and potatoes. When I stumbled on this site I saw some educated posts and decided to embark in discussion about this particular topic and the churches attitude towards homosexuals and abortion, etc. These two topics seem to be hot-topics within the church and it gets everyone’s old-testament fire and brimstone blood to boiling. My bible studies have concluded that not only is this appropriate for loving Christians, but is seemingly ineffective for changing hearts. Setting an example and demonstrating love and acceptance seems so much more persuasive. Anyway, I am just looking for some insight from people more versed in biblical teachings and interpretation to bounce ideas off and work out some issues I have had with Christianity for a while now. Thank you again for the quick responses. You are awesome!

        • Ripsemeh, thank you for your input! I agree completely with you about the seemingly infectious rate at which the LGBT community seems to be winning acceptance in our country and as a result, Christian values, standards, and cornerstones constructed into our country by our founding forefathers, are quickly being eradicated. It makes me sick to my stomach that its happening and I do feel my “Freedom of Religion” protected amendment is already being compromised.

          I am appalled by the teachings of homosexuality in schools! I have never heard of that, where is this happening?

          Thanks again!

        • **NOTE: I misread your question and got confused, but I am glad I did! I thought this question was in response to a response I gave you earlier regarding “How do you see some of the episcopalians (and others) fully accepting the LBGTQ with membership rights, access to sacraments, and even ordination in the church?”

          Wow, delightintruth, I just got whiplash from that review! 1 Corinthians 5 seemed to touch on, even if only lightly, all the discussions I have participated in on your page… Amazing! Also, this made me finally bust out my bible again and to be honest… it feels pretty great. I love Corinthians and have spent a moderate amount of time reading the books when I was going through my last hardship – 2 Corinthians 12:8-10 is one of my favorite verses.

          8 Three times I pleaded with the Lord to take it away from me. 9 But he said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness.” Therefore I will boast all the more gladly about my weaknesses, so that Christ’s power may rest on me. 10 That is why, for Christ’s sake, I delight in weaknesses, in insults, in hardships, in persecutions, in difficulties. For when I am weak, then I am strong.

          I dont even know where to begin – there is so much content contained within 13 verses.

          **Incomplete due to misunderstanding

        • Let me try this again. I apologize for the clutter.

          delightintruth: After reading 1 Corinthians 6:12-20 it does cause me to reexamine my previous post about Gods perspective on sins and if some sins are greater in His eyes. There is a clear delineation that sexual immorality is classified separately from all other sins: “18 Flee from sexual immorality. All other sins a person commits are outside the body, but whoever sins sexually, sins against their own body.”

          As I lack the appropriate theological training to fully decipher and appropriately examine and interpret the rest will be based mostly off personal perception. God created our bodies in his image/design to not only provide a vessel and means of interaction with others, but house the Holy Spirit. The image/design is specific for the carrying out of God’s perfect plan – “The body, however, is not meant for sexual immorality but for the Lord, and the Lord for the body.” Some of the longest lasting consequences of sin are sexually based (pregnancy, HIV, etc.). This ultimately interferes with God’s plan for your life or at least the extent you will be able to contribute. But this causes me another philosophically based thought: If Gods plan is perfect and He is all-knowing, then He would already know all future sexually impure acts, hence, His plan will ultimately be carried out no matter what… I am getting way over my head here – now I am thinking about if He knew I was going to sin and made me the same way anyway, then was I predestined to make that mistake…

          I digress… Sexual interaction is available to most all people as it does not require any external device for it to occur. What I mean is that one does not have to acquire anything besides a partner to perform. Being that it is most likely the most abundant source of sin (not to mention the intrinsic hormones we all possess that drive the sexual urges), maybe God is using these facts knowing you will have to rely and focus on Him more in order to deter the sin. Just some thoughts…Basic I know..

          Last, “16 Do you not know that he who unites himself with a prostitute is one with her in body? For it is said, “The two will become one flesh.”[b] 17 But whoever is united with the Lord is one with him in spirit.[c].” I interpret this as possibly meaning that if I am sexually impure my personal relationship with the Lord will suffer due to becoming “united” with another. Perhaps losing full focus on the Lord due to the sampling of the delicious “forbidden fruit,” thus creating an increased drive and redirected focus to repeat the act.

          These interpretations do not suggest to me that the different categories of sins makes one category a greater sin than the other. I do, however, think God included these scriptures in the bible as a signal and warning to the ease of sexual immorality and the steep inversely proportional implications it will have on you, your future, your relationship with the Lord, and Lords ultimate plan for your life.

          Basic personal interpretation like I said, but I am weak in content-analysis that reaches much deeper than surface level. Be gentle 🙂

        • RtT, thanks for readind and studying 🙂

          Clearly all sin leads to death per Rom 6:23. Even the most insignificant (to us) sin separates from God and must be atoned for.

          Having said that, certain sins affect us differently. Some may be more difficult to overcome (example: sexual sin vs. theft), or some may destroy our bodies to a greater degree (alcoholism, sexually transmitted disesase, etc), and all destroy us spiritually speaking. Just consider that not all sin has the same effect on body/mind even though the effect on the spirit is the same (spiritual death).

          Large topic 🙂

    • IF Christians are NOT doing the research, this could very well mean that many many other are not researching either…. NONE of their songs or the vocals promoting their album are promoting LGBT either. SOOOO.. God used evil persons to do his will and that does not mean that promoting these Christian songs may in fact be reaching out through our Facebook pages to those that are being spoken to and these beautiful songs may be sending them to Church. STOP being JUDGMENTAL and pray that something good comes from the music and that that all of Pentatonix were to hear from GOD.

      JUDGE NOT is very applicable here.

      • Well, their lifestyle and activism does promote the LGBT agenda. It’s like accepting a pastor who lives in sin to preach to you. (if your are a biblical Christian). And this comment just provided more evidence to support that Matt 7:1 is the most popular bible verse these days.

        • Hello All!

          I was just listening to Pentatonix and surfing the web and came across this website. I’m a late arrival 🙂 But this topic may help to expand my christian knowledge base. It was my understanding that the greatest command was to love: Love first your God, then love your neighbors as yourself. Is there a reference somewhere that says that because a person is outwardly/publicly sinning that we should love them less? One of my major gripes with Christianity is the members are quick to cast judgement and slow to love. I wonder what would happen if it was the opposite; where people people were quickly embraced and loved, thereby truly experiencing Christ’s love through members’ interaction. It has always caused me great distress to see the pickett lines protesting the outwardly open sins (abortion, gay, etc..)… I have just never understood why “loving” christians would even consider this… I obviously dont know what Jesus would do, but from what I have read in the bible, I don’t think He would be holding pickett signs – I like to picture that He would rush in and embrace the sinners…. reminding them how much he loves them, thereby demonstrating His Perfect Love. Thank you for any input or explanation

        • Interesting thoughts, Reseeking.

          The Bible is clear on how Jesus reacted to sinners. He looked upon them with love in His holiness. After saving a sinful person from certain death, we find Jesus saying, “Go, and sin no more.” You can find the story in John 8.
          Directly after this, we find this verse: “12 Then Jesus again spoke to them, saying, “I am the Light of the world; he who follows Me will not walk in the darkness, but will have the Light of life.”

          We do not listen to the words of the world although there are many voices that are correctly admonishing others in love to turn from their sins and no longer “walk in the darkness.” Would it be loving to not voice concerns about sin?

          Are Christians without sin? The Bible states “all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.” Christians continually grow closer to God by His grace. Sin becomes something that lacks appeal to those who have the Holy Spirit in them. Bible knowledge and prayer are important to this continual growth. Yet, like the apostle Paul, Christians are sinners and need to repent of their sins.

          I would recommend a good study of the book of Romans. It is not my word. It is God’s word and deals with this subject quite a bit.

          Don’t judge God by looking at Christians. We will fail you every time. Follow the Word of God.

          I wish you God’s blessings, Reseeking.

        • Matthew 7:6King James Version (KJV)

          6 Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you. I tire of this constant argument. Many are using parts of Bible to prove that Jesus supports that anything goes. But if one studies the Bible and prays and is sincere in wanting to do what Christ wants them to do then they will not continue as such with the lie that anything goes because Christ is love. I am very glad you are not my parent because if anything goes then it would be ok for a child to rape, kill, steal, everything and anything. Yes, God does forgive the repentant sinner. That does not mean that God wants everyone to sin as much as possible. You create a gulf between you and God.

    • I agree carpenj4, we strive to be a holy people. He who is without sin, cast the first stone. However, we have been redeemed by the blood of Jesus and daily put that flesh to death.
      The issue with Pentatonix , they openly renounce what the word of God says. Two openly saying they are homosexuals. They do not heed to the word of God. Believers can righteously judge others who say they are christians. A former lesbian delivered and set free. I do know what is at stake here.
      A true believer will fight the good fight of faith and hear the voice of God. Who is Pentatonix hearing?
      Even if they supposedly act holy by singing hymns that tickle the audience’s ears, they are of a reprobate mind. They need to repent of all their vain imaginations. 😦

  2. Thanks for the welcome. It is important to admit that just because someone is saved doesn’t mean that they immediately stop their bad habits. Therefore, we need to give grace to those who may be struggling or are dealing with things that the spirit has yet to reveal to them. Not everyone immediately knows, or can trust, the translations of scriptures from other people – consider that there are many people who give their life to Christ, but don’t have a church or spiritual leader, and therefore they need time to learn what is right and wrong. Pointing out someone’s flaws and refusing to sit at the table to sup with them is simply judgmental and discourages the conversation that is needed within the church to get it to where it needs to be. Our impatience and unwillingness to let the Spirit work is, in my opinion, killing the church because it discourages discourse with the world – the very people we were put on earth to serve.

    • Great points. I agree with the approach you presented. This brings into discussion what to do with folks who would like to promote LGBTQ inside the church or who are practicing that lifestyle without feeling convicted of it.

      Once we get past their initial confession of faith how should the church deal with their desire to be active in membership and leadership in the church? (I realize this moves the discussion into a slight tangent)

      • Honestly, I feel that that would be a discussion for each denomination. There are a lot of other people out there smarter than I am about this topic. I just know that we need to be there for the LBGTQ community. What that looks like, I admit, depends on what denomination you are talking about.

        • Actually, your suggestion that it’s a ‘discussion for each denomination’ is not in accordance to what the scriptures teach concerning dealing with sin in the church. Let’s look at what the Apostle Paul commands in 1 Corinthians 5….

          It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father’s wife.
          And ye are puffed up, and have not rather mourned, that he that hath done this deed might be taken away from among you.
          For I verily, as absent in body, but present in spirit, have judged already, as though I were present, concerning him that hath so done this deed,
          In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ,
          To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.
          Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump?
          Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:
          Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.
          I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:
          Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world.
          But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.
          For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?
          But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.

          The Apostle is quite clear, the church is to ‘judge’ them that are within, and remove the unrepentant sinner from among them. This commentary from Albert Barnes clarifies, “Do not ye judge … – Is not your jurisdiction as Christians confined to those who are within the church, and professed members of it? ought you not to exercise discipline there, and inflict punishment on its unworthy members? Do you not in fact thus exercise discipline, and separate from your society unworthy persons – and ought it not to be done in this instance, and in reference to the offender in your church?”
          Matthew Henry’s commentary is noteworthy as well, “But, as to members of the church, they are within, are professedly bound by the laws and rules of Christianity, and not only liable to the judgment of God, but to the censures of those who are set over them, and the fellow-members of the same body, when they transgress those rules. Every Christian is bound to judge them unfit for communion and familiar converse. They are to be punished, by having this mark of disgrace put upon them, that they may be shamed, and, if possible, reclaimed thereby: and the more because the sins of such much more dishonour God than the sins of the openly wicked and profane can do. The church therefore is obliged to clear herself from all confederacy with them, or connivance at them, and to bear testimony against their wicked practices. Note, Though the church has nothing to do with those without, it must endeavour to keep clear of the guilt and reproach of those within.”

          Do we need to be there for the LBGTQ community? Only in this way – we need to point them to their sins, warn them of eternal judgment for sin, and point them to the Savior and His cross. We should never embrace a sinful community in any way that would appear as though we support their horrific sins against a thrice-holy God.
          In this present day, most present a lopsided God, a God who’s all love, love, love. However, that is not the God of the bible, for God is holy holy holy. He is righteous, and will judge. God Himself tells us who He is in Exodus 34, “And the LORD passed by before him, and proclaimed, “The LORD, The LORD God, merciful and gracious, longsuffering, and abundant in goodness and truth, keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, and that will by no means clear the guilty.”

      • Great question. I have always only thought about the process of getting those fellow sinners inside the church walls and trying to make them feel welcomed. I guess I never really put much thought to what happens after that. Hmmm.. First thoughts… through the education process and emphasis on what a lifelong passion-seeking relationship with Jesus entails, the confession of faith would be defined adequately enough so that the fellow sinner would already be contemplating/processing resolve of the sin. As with any other sin/addiction/alternative-lifestyle, an overnight fix is hardly the outcome. But just just like we struggle constantly with certain sins, that may be the sin they struggle with the rest of their life. An image just came to mind…. An AA meeting – where the leader gets up and the first words out of his mouth are “Hello, my name is …., and I am an alcoholic and/or addict.” I may be getting off topic a little, but I think it would that be awesome if pastors did the same thing LOL. “Good morning, Im Pastor……, and I am a sinner/struggling christian/recovering homosexual, etc. I am not familiar with physiology of neuro involvement associated with homosexual relationships, but if its anything like what drugs and alcohol do to the brain, then, like alcoholics and addicts, it may be a lifelong struggle: It gets easier over time, but is never fully resolved.

        • “As with any other sin/addiction/alternative-lifestyle, an overnight fix is hardly the outcome.”

          My experience is that this is most often the case, Reseeking. Exposure to God’s Word continually shapes us to be more like Him.

          I’m sure there are some pastors who start counseling sessions the way you have suggested and that would be a good thing.

          A worship service is something different. It is meant to uplift all believers in attendance. I think that’s why worship usually includes prayer, praise, and the preaching of the Word.

          I know many people who have had sinful issues fully resolved. They have no desire to go back to the terrible ways of the past and look forward to the fulfillment of the promises of God.

          A Christian should eventually bear good fruit. These are not only my words:

          15 “Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves. 16 You will know them by their fruits. Grapes are not gathered from thorn bushes nor figs from thistles, are they? 17 So every good tree bears good fruit, but the bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot produce bad fruit, nor can a bad tree produce good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 So then, you will know them by their fruits.”
          – Matthew7

        • Chris,
          This line causes me some confusion. “A Christian should eventually bear good fruit. These are not only my words:…”

          It was my understanding that being saved is only possible through grace and not by any of our own actions. John 3:16 is what I always understood as the principle verse used to relay only faith and God’s grace are required to be saved and go to heaven.

        • Sorry for the late response, Reseeking. I didn’t see your question until today.

          I’m glad you are feeling better.

          You are correct that a Christian is saved by grace alone (Eph. 2:8-9). After the Christian is saved, the Holy Spirit begins a work on the person. God begins to mold us like clay. Does our molding make us any more or any less a Christian? No!
          As the Spirit works in us, we become more aware of God’s love, our faults, and our daily need for His help. We become better people. But, we are not any more saved than when we first believed.

          I hope this helps. I will try and keep an eye on Delight’s blog if you have any other questions. If you want to “speak” to me personally, my email is chrisreimers@cablelynx.com.

          God’s blessings…

        • Reseeking, here is a scripture that talks about a Christian’s walk:

          It is from Ephesians 4

          17 So this I say, and affirm together with the Lord, that you walk no longer just as the Gentiles also walk, in the futility of their mind, 18 being darkened in their understanding, excluded from the life of God because of the ignorance that is in them, because of the hardness of their heart; 19 and they, having become callous, have given themselves over to sensuality for the practice of every kind of impurity with greediness. 20 But you did not learn Christ in this way, 21 if indeed you have heard Him and have been taught in Him, just as truth is in Jesus, 22 that, in reference to your former manner of life, you lay aside the old self, which is being corrupted in accordance with the lusts of deceit, 23 and that you be renewed in the spirit of your mind, 24 and put on the new self, which in the likeness of God has been created in righteousness and holiness of the truth.

          25 Therefore, laying aside falsehood, speak truth each one of you with his neighbor, for we are members of one another. 26 Be angry, and yet do not sin; do not let the sun go down on your anger, 27 and do not give the devil an opportunity. 28 He who steals must steal no longer; but rather he must labor, performing with his own hands what is good, so that he will have something to share with [t]one who has need. 29 Let no unwholesome word proceed from your mouth, but only such a word as is good for edification according to the need of the moment, so that it will give grace to those who hear. 30 Do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption. 31 Let all bitterness and wrath and anger and clamor and slander be put away from you, along with all malice. 32 Be kind to one another, tender-hearted, forgiving each other, just as God in Christ also has forgiven you.

          Reseeking, this is only part of the reality of a Christian life. Anyone who tells you that it is going to be an easier life is wrong. However, the blessings of God through the fruits of the spirit (love, joy, peace, etc.) more than make up for the difficulties we face.

    • I would ask this, where did you get the idea that anyone in this band is struggling with something? These two men are blatantly rebelling against the God they dare sing about and do not even know. All that you state is your opinion; this band need to hear of their sins and of Christ as Savior. They need to hear of wrath, judgment as well as God’s mercy towards sinners. They need to hear of repentance, and of the atoning sacrifice of Jesus Christ.
      I would like to address this opinion from you as well, “Pointing out someone’s flaws and refusing to sit at the table to sup with them is simply judgmental and discourages the conversation that is needed within the church to get it to where it needs to be.” This is a worldly view and makes light of the seriousness of sin! Someone’s ‘flaws’? When we do not take serious God’s absolute HATRED of sin, and use our human reasoning, we fail miserably in our attempt to reach out to sinners. It is NOT judgmental to point a sinner to their sins; good grief, we need to stop accusing Christians of being judgmental – then we need to do an in-depth word study on ‘judging’ and understand what it means to read the bible in context.
      Do you really think your approach, your conversation, your sugar-coating of truth is what will save a sinner? They must hear the truth, and the truth is always offensive to a sin-loving heart. However, God takes His truth and plows the heart. He will either draw the sinner to Himself and save them, or He will leave them in their sins only to go deeper in them. We do not determine who gets saved….God does. The Spirit will only work using God’s word, not added to nor taken from. We should never tamper with the truth in hopes of ‘winning’ souls to Jesus. We must show them their sins, speak of God’s perfect righteous standards, and Christ’s death, burial and resurrection. God’s mercy and grace are what they need to hear of as well…we are nothing, merely unworthy servants doing our duty {Luke 17:10}.
      It is this spineless, milk-toast approach that causes sinners NOT to see the horrors of their crimes against a thrice-holy God, thus leaving them comfortable in their sins-not ‘flaws’ as you label it, but as the Bible calls it —–sin. Stop using worldly terminology and stick with God’s holy word!!!

      • Welcome Lyn. As I was reading your comment I remembered an article where the author mentioned that John 3:16 is no longer the top favorite verse among many American Christians. Which verse took its place? Matt 7:1 ““Judge not, that you be not judged…”

        Many are using such verses out of context to excuse behavior that is parallel or against biblical principles. I will predict that many of our churches (Evangelical) will cave on the homosexuality issue and accept those who practice it as full members and part of the brethren, and ordain them.

        Their problem is really with the Bible and what it teaches.

      • I think this is a more difficult matter then is upon the surface. One is the one called to continue in the music with this group. Perhaps only promoting truth and denouncing the sin that is there in and at work in the other members. I do not know all the details but to say the least if they were a Christian band lets say then those in rebellion should be rebuked and if they continued in their sin the would and should be excommunicated. We are called as christian not to associate or even eat with persons in open rebellion. Namely that of fornication, adultery, covetousness and idolatry… Yet they have their own agenda I would have to say to the Christian in the mix unless otherwise commanded of God to come out from among them… Yet I am reminded of a person who was called into a vocation who was heavenly persecuted in her work place yet she continued to shine for Christ in that place and has risen to a higher position then most and has gained the respect of others. I suspect that God in His wisdom knew this and called her to remain. If she is in sin we should as scripture states minster to the person in gentleness with love. To whom that is given that is not to say that I or anyone even on this blog is called to do so. Sometimes we can cause more problems by sticking our noses where they don’t belong being busy bodies and so it is in today’s world of social media… Who also is to say that God is not drawing them through the music and ministering to thousands at the same time. God has at many times undermined the works of the enemy while using someone who has not come to the fullness of faith in Christ.. Even then securing their salvation at the same time through reproof and His mercies. I say to some degree even myself If your not on the level don’t take on a battle that is not yours to fight… I have many of my own and have faults of my own I think myself it is better for me to be the more focused on those and those that directly relate to myself and those around me… God has already spoken why do we always feel that we need to be His absolute voice. Just point and move one otherwise we may find ourselves stirring the pot when it doesn’t need stirred. God has called us to speak when we are called to speak and there are times we are called to refrain from speaking….Chew on this I know of a Muslim that enjoys to sing and listen to Christ music… She is being drawn, their works will be tested by fire and so will ours let that be in our minds and let us not make judgments before the appointed time…
        This is not a direct response but an overall response… Let God have this one He knows what to do better then we..
        Philippians 1:15 Of course some of them preach Christ because they are jealous and quarrelsome, but others from genuine good will. 16 These do so from love, because they know that God has given me the work of defending the gospel. 17 The others do not proclaim Christ sincerely, but from a spirit of selfish ambition; they think that they will make more trouble for me while I am in prison.
        18 It does not matter! I am happy about it—just so Christ is preached in every way possible, whether from wrong or right motives. And I will continue to be happy,

        • Some of what you say is in fact correct.

          Ask yourself this, what does it mean to draw? The original language defines this – draw is translated from the Greek ‘helkó’ and defined from Strong’s Concordance, ‘to drag’. The sinner must be dragged to God, this denotes a use of supernatural force that is necessary to bring about a desired result. Why must a sinner be dragged? What stops them from coming on their own or at random? Again, the answer is found in His word, from John 8:34, “Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.”
          Now this from John 3:19, “And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.”
          It is the natural love of sin and the bondage to it that keeps sinners from coming, so God must drag them out of this darkness and bondage supernaturally. How can listening to music, which plays upon the emotions and causes various reactions, draw you to God? How does a song break you over your sins and enable you to see your need for Christ? Emotions are what God plays upon – He deals with the heart. Jer_17:10  ‘I the LORD search the heart, I try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings’.
          Heb 4:12  ‘For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.’ 
          What lies in our hearts? “For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies: 
          These are the things which defile a man”. Matt. 15:19,20a
          Music that plays on the emotions but doesn’t prick the heart has no biblical value. When you read about music in the bible, it was ordained as a means to praise God. Now, we have lyrics that aren’t quite theologically sound, and yet many will claim God will use ‘half-truths’ to save sinners? To stated God may use this band is simply an opinion and nothing more. God will not use dirty vessels, as has already been pointed out.
          2Ti 2:19  Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity. 
          2Ti 2:20  But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honour, and some to dishonour. 
          2Ti 2:21  If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master’s use, and prepared unto every good work. 
          These verses alone disqualify this band as a useful tool in the hands of the Master as a means of ‘drawing’ sinners to God.
          Some may argue God used Pharoah, a hardened sinner, a dirty vessel. You must ask yourself how and why did He use him. Pharoah did not cause any to be ‘drawn’ to God, rather, God displayed His glory in what He did in spite of Pharoahs’ hardened heart.

          As for Christ being preached per various motives – yes that is biblical. However, IF the message has been tainted, then the effort is in vain. This band does not even come close to presenting the biblical Christ of the Bible.

        • CORRECTION- ” Emotions are what God plays upon – He deals with the heart. ” should read “Emotions are NOT what God plays upon”….

    • No where does it say that they are actively seeking to change or seeking to dialogue about Christianity. They are desiring to continue in their sin.

  3. Thank you for bringing up this subject; it’s one that too many are afraid to approach for fear of appearing legalistic or judgmental. But here’s the thing: if we as mature Christians do not discuss things like this, then we do nothing more than fertilize the soil in which error grows.

    Thanks to your article (which I first saw reblogged on another site), my wife and I discussed this over washing morning dishes. For me, and my wife agreed, this is a subject which falls under the heading of “Grace and Maturity Issues.”

    The first thing that crossed my mind when I first saw the Silent Night video by Pentatonix was, “Why all the hype?” Seriously, the group is talented, but I knew right off the bat that something didn’t bear witness with my spirit, not to mention there are other groups even better who ARE openly Christian. So, I didn’t go around sharing every video they put out simply because I was not all that impressed.

    Now, when it comes to Christmas music there are a lot of standards which are favorites across the board, many of which were recorded by some to the greats of the past, few of which even claimed to be Christian, much less lived a moral lifestyle. Do we share those? I do. But the difference is that I don’t go around saying, “Hey, you’ve got to hear Bing Crosby! I love Bing Crosby!” (honestly, I don’t know much about Bing Crosby’s personal life)

    As Christians we should strive to act with wisdom and maturity seasoned with grace. The gospel message of Christmas will not return void, so that’s a good thing. However, we must be careful whom we put on a pedestal and promote.

    • Thank you for the very sound comment, Anthony. That was my point as well, but you made it sound so much more eloquent… 🙂 It is about who we promote, and not necessarily about the song they sing…. Like I wrote above, should we promote a practicing gay pastor who preaches really, really, really well?

  4. Hi I find out kind of funny that you claim Christianity when the bible clearly says do not judge others just an interesting fact for you.

  5. These are amazing songs proclaiming Jesus’ name. You don’t believe that God can use these songs to do His will??? Now whether the artists are “gay” or not, I think that, yes, being gay is against what the Bible says, but why point out all the negatives???? Focus on Jesus, while he bled to death on a chipped wooden cross, was tortured, betrayed, and yet still thought of you, you are thinking of if an artist is gay and how we shouldn’t listen to them. I will continue to listen, regardless. Music is music. Whether it be praiseworthy to God is what matters.

    • MJ, God does not accept the sacrifice of the disobedient. “Worship the LORD in the splendor of his holiness” Ps 69

      Why should I listen to an unrepentant sinner who celebrates his open rebellion to God? Listen to what you are saying!

  6. Jesus is Love. He came with the updated Terms of Service (The New Testament), and everything he went through was enough for us to see that we must learn from the errors of the past; yet still, we continue misinterpreting His word and refusing to learn. The Old Testament is HIS STORY (history). It tells us what God wouldn’t do for us and what he did go through for us; and how his decisions hurt Him to the extent that he had to arrive here in person to show us the way. Why is this so hard for people to understand? God bless you. God bless us all!

  7. I had posted their video Mary did you know on my fb page. A few minutes later I decided to do some research on the band. Needless to say, even though they sing beautifully, I removed the video. I will not promote sin!

  8. This is ridiculous, the Lord tells us not to judge others. These people are broadcasting and incredibly powerful and beautiful song about the birth of our Lord and Savior. Bringing it to the ears of thousands who can be inspired and drawn to the lord by it. What they do in their personal life and how they reconcile it with the Lord belongs to them. I will leave you to your crusade, and follow in Jesus’s example of tolerance and love. Dear God.

  9. Hey… I meant to do this earlier, but a case of pneumonia has had me handicapped the last couple of weeks. Thank you to all who joined in with me in the discussion: your time and efforts are greatly appreciated! Like I said previously, this was the first place I stopped back on my faith-journey. I know not all the information was consistent with the blog, so I also thank you for your understanding and patience. Peace be with all of you, Bryan

    • Reseeking,

      I didn’t see the question you asked me earlier in this thread until today. Please look back up this thread to see my answers if you so wish.

      God’s blessings…

  10. You should look more into the teachings of Jesus … everyone falls short in the matters of of God … everyone is a sinner … . only through grace and faith are we saved! Stop throwing stones and remove the log in your own eye before the spec in someone else’s

  11. “And the LORD opened the mouth of the donkey, and she said to Balaam, “What have I done to you, that you have struck me these three times?””
    ‭‭Numbers‬ ‭22:28‬ ‭NASB‬‬
    http://bible.com/100/num.22.28.

    Fellow Christians, if you put your faith in the same sovereign God that I do, then you should perhaps consider that scripture states, that our God will open the mouth of whomever or whatever He pleases to inspire us, correct us and draw us closer. Whether Pentatonix is a Christian group or a collection of donkeys, I don’t know. But I am certain that God may exercise His sovereign power and open their mouths. In your criticisms of Pentatonix are you playing the part of Balaam?

    Perhaps if Christians would busy themselves in lovingly sharing the gospel rather than wallowing in judgement and self-righteousness, God would use us in ways that could make unbelief seem unattractive so that He won’t instead choose donkeys and the stones they walk on to do the work of evangelism for us.

    “Some of the Pharisees in the crowd said to Him, “Teacher, rebuke Your disciples.” But Jesus answered, “I tell you, if these become silent, the stones will cry out!”
    ‭‭Luke‬ ‭19:39-40‬ ‭NASB‬‬
    http://bible.com/100/luk.19.39-40.nasb

    How arrogant we must sound and how small our God must appear to others when we argue that only we believers are capable of bringing Him glory. Scripture is clear that the mountains and ALL of creation is endlessly busy with that.

    “For from Him and through Him and to Him are all things. To Him be the glory forever. Amen.”
    ‭‭Romans‬ ‭11:36‬ ‭NASB‬‬
    http://bible.com/100/rom.11.36.nasb

    • Travtouch: Balaam’s donkey was obedient to the LORD in delivering the message. Pentatonix is not obedient to God, they are in rebellion towards God because of their sinful lifestyle (homosexuality). So the idea of “inspiration” is a unpalatable to an obedient Christian, simply because of that.

    • You are so right ! And it is such a shame that still today we have our brothers and sisters in the Lord that feel like they have to only bash people for certain sins. We are all sinners saved by grace and none are perfect. God can and will use them for His glory.

  12. They are very talented, but there was something that didn’t feel right and like yo said Thanks God for Google! These are the false prophets we are going to encounter and we must fight with the word of God. It’s sad and wrong…

  13. You preach a gospel of exclusion which is not what my Jesus preached. Furthermore, if we are to discount these products for being gay, we should also discount all other sinners. Their sin is no greater than yours or mine.

  14. You should find shame in your comments and question your faith. If you truley believe you will know that no matter what, sin is sin. From lying to adultery to spouting on about your neighbor, and then murder. Sin is sin. And yes homosexuality is sin but no different than the aforementioned sins are sins. Premarital sex is sin. “I ask those of you without sin to cast the first stone upon her”. Jesus!!!! Wake up people.

    • Sir, you should feel convicted and repent of taking the Lord’s name in vain.

      Are you going to lecture apostle Paul about sin? He places sexual sin in a separate category in 1 Cor 6:18-20.

      What about Hitler’s sins? Are you going to equate them to a mere theft of a few dollars?

      While ALL sin leads to death, not all sin is equal in magnitude!

      • People who are not converted, not truly born again, not really pulled from the world of darkness into the light of Christ will never understand it. As you clearly mentioned, when the devil realized he can’t get the gospel of universalism into church through preaching, he successfully did it through music and art. A lot of people who hate your post are product of that. They also question our stand on abortion, discotheques, sensual dressing and lay evangelism. But wisdom is proved right by her actions. Thank you!

  15. Even if none of the singers were open homosexuals, and even if all were professing Christians, this one fact, alone, should stop faithful Christians from supporting and promoting them: “Furthermore the band is active in promoting the LGBTQ agenda.”

    And too few Christians who are quick to stand against the homosexual agenda, are too slow to ‘prepare your minds for action.’ We need more than bumper sticker theology. Much of the confusion on this issues stems from the world’s re-definition of ‘love’ which has infected many churches. https://textsincontext.wordpress.com/2014/03/16/love-basics-heresies-divorce-homosexuality-church/

  16. Wow. As a (Pentatonix-loving) Christian myself, I’m pretty sure that’s the most hate-ridden, judgemental thing I’ve ever read from another “Christian.” I don’t see them going around spreading messages of hate and oppression so why are you? Why even bother bringing them up? I’m pretty sure they aren’t the first non-Christians to ever record a Christmas album.

  17. I think it’s great that they are singing Christian Christmas songs. They are sharing a powerful message to those who otherwise wouldn’t listen to a Christian message. Fans on PTX who don’t believe in God are being exposed to the story of Christ, it’s amazing! PTX is a gifted group of singers and I believe God can even use them to be a witness for Him.

  18. They’re not proclaiming to be Christians. There’s many openly gay artists, can’t “shun” then all. If they were preaching God’s word then there’d be an issue. I agree, you shouldn’t listen to an openly gay preacher because he’s defying the very thing he stands for. They don’t stand for Christianity. I’m so thankful the one member is a Christian do they can see the love of God instead of the hate so many try to portray by shunning others.

  19. There is no such thing as as a Gay Christian, God don’t take gays in heaven, it just don’t happen read the the Bible it says he gave them over to a reprobate mind, he also burned Sodom and Gomorrah for their homosexuality, its people with sick minds, it’s not normal! He also said you are in the world but don’t be of it!

    • God will save any sinner who repents of their sin.

      1 Cor 6:11 And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

    • Well dang I guess I won’t get into heaven then. If you count all my own sins in my life. How about you? What Sins do you have in your own life? Do you even take the time to look at yourself and realize you also are a sinner? A sinner saved by grace. The very grace that will hopefully cover and excuse your judgements ways.

  20. So sad,to hear that they are not a christian band ,they are so gifted ,let’s keep. In mind that Only Jesus saves ,and that there is SALVATION and conviction of SIN AGAINST FOR A MAN KIND ,

  21. This group is majestic and if you have paid problem because some one might be gay you are a bigottot. God and your Jesus said ” judge not or yea may be judged”

  22. It should not surprise us that non-Christians should take an interest in Christmas and Christian themes in music. Many believers pray regularly for the unbeliever or the marginal to be drawn to the Lord. Music is one way.
    A musical avenue like this may put unbelieving band members in the presence of true believers on more than one occasion. What a great opportunity for any Christian to then reach out to them.
    I hope that even more unbelievers take an interest in Christmas, even as they bless us with their voices.
    It is my prayer that the believers which band members come into contact with share with them graciously, as someone once shared with me when I was lost, but interested. If their music about Christmas opens other hearts to Jesus, then what a wonderful side benefit to great voices!
    Listening to their music also puts the band members before us regularly so we can remember to pray for them.
    I believe that their music is overflowing with opportunity to share Jesus, both with them and with others. Use the opportunities that come your way!

  23. Sinners are not saved by listening to someone singing Christmas songs; the Gospel is Christ died for the ungodly, repent and believe. Romans 1:16 states ‘I am not ashamed of the Gospel for IT IS THE POWER OF SALVATION’. We simply MUST stop accrediting worldly means in attempts to justify personal preference, as though God will use ‘dirty vessels’.
    Why do so many think a ‘Christian’ CCM band will be used by God? What kind of vessels are useful to the Master? From 2 Timothy 2:21, “If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master’s use, and prepared unto every good work.”

    Let’s stop straying from God’s truth and resorting to fleshly means in an attempt to ‘save’ the lost. If you want to ‘share’ Jesus, do as the Apostles did —– proclaim His truth.

    • “Sinners are not saved by listening to someone singing Christmas songs” you say. Well, I do know of people who have come to the Lord through music. I came to Jesus at Christmas.

      I came to the Lord myself at a Christmas eve service where all the little kids came on stage with angel wings and hoops of sparkling halos over their heads. The message made it’s mark. I listened to Christmas carols and little kids sing on stage in white gowns, and I got saved!

      I’m was not familiar with Pentatonix nor can I remember singing “Mary Did You Know” in Church, but their rendition impacted me because of the words (written, I now know by Mark Lowry). My favorite line is at the end “The sleeping Child you’re holding is the great “I am””. I love the words to this song, and what can I say, they reached my ears by some secular group who lifted up Jesus more than many believers do.

      Does the Church compromise too often? Sure, on sexuality, easy divorce, evolution and many other topics. If some believers heard a few carols by Pentatonix and confuse them with a Christian band, it is right and proper to tell them that this is a secular group. Of course it is.

      However, how crazy is it that this wonderful song reached me through a secular group. Can God use even secular people to lift up His Son? I guess so because He did so for me. God used Mel Gibson to make “The Passion” and look at his life!

      I appreciate the author making it clear that Pentatonix is not a Christian group by any stretch of the imagination. It is a good article. But be careful in your comments. You DO NOT know what God is doing in the lives of these musicians and you DO NOT always know when God Himself is using vessels of wood or clay for His own glory. Do not presume to know who God is or is not using.

      • It’s amazing the lengths professing Christians will go to to defend ‘music’ and the entertainment industry.

        “Do not presume to know who God is or is not using.” But it’s okay that you do that very thing? You assume God will use music to save, yet you have not one ounce of scriptural support for this view.
        No one can come unless the Father draws, meaning ‘drags’ in the Greek. God must drag sinners to Himself because of the sinners natural love of sin and darkness and the bondage to it {see John 3:19 and John 8:34}, yet you claim a song will snap you out of your stupor and cause you to see your own filth?
        “I came to the Lord myself at a Christmas eve service where all the little kids came on stage with angel wings and hoops of sparkling halos over their heads. The message made it’s mark. I listened to Christmas carols and little kids sing on stage in white gowns, and I got saved!” Sounds like you were overcome by emotion and NOT broken over your own vileness.
        Lyrics cannot break a sin-hardened heart. Only God’s truth can. You fail to comprehend the work of the Holy Spirit in saving sinners. He uses the word of God to convict, not song lyrics. It seems many are moved by their emotions and NOT by the conviction of sin in their hearts. They mistake the emotions as something God is doing.
        As for Mel Gibson’s movie, it is riddled with RCC overtones. http://www.svchapel.org/resources/articles/22-contemporary-issues/532-the-passion-of-the-christ-part-1

        God uses any and all things for His purposes, how He sees fit. He hardened Pharoah’s heart so that His glory would be made known. However, when it comes to how sinners are saved, the Bible is crystal clear – For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.  Romans 1:16

        For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. Eph. 2:8-9

        There must be a brokenness over sin – Psa_34:18  The LORD is nigh unto them that are of a broken heart; and saveth such as be of a contrite spirit.
        Psa_51:17  The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit: a broken and a contrite heart, O God, thou wilt not despise.

        If you have not been broken by God over your own vileness and born again by the Spirit, you are still in your sins. Professions are worthless, there MUST be a work done in the heart by the Spirit, a work that lays the sinner low, in the dust. Grace and mercy cause the sinner to see their need to trust solely in Christ for salvation. This brokenness has not one thing to do with songs, verbal professions, altar calls, decisions, etc. and a feel good type of Christianity that permeates America.

        May it please the Lord to reveal His truth in hearts everywhere.

      • Having read most of this discussion, I would like to respond by sharing a supernatural encounter I had. I was invited to a 50th birthday party that I did not want to go to, because it was all about the life I used to live, prior to becoming a born again Christian. Alcohol and language, and Christ not to be found anywhere kind of party. Dear Jesus encouraged me to go, picked my dress and I prayed that he would use me. I was only going because I felt He had given me permission to go. I didn’t want to go because I can’t stop talking about Jesus, wherever I go, because I love Him so much and this group are intolerant of it.

        At this party, I got talking to a gay lesbian couple. To cut a very long story short, I shared about Jesus. One of the girls, put her arm around me and said ‘but God doesn’t want to know people like me and Mary’. She believed there is a God but honestly felt He didn’t want her. The Holy Spirit then just ‘took over’ for want of a better description. Out of my mouth came words of love for her, how much He loved her, how He would die for her if she was the only person on the planet. In front of my face, this lady’s countenance changed completely. The darkness left her, she was visibly shining and overcome with joy. She told me that I had made her feel so loved and accepted as a person (not a as a lesbian). She tried to describe the feelings of love that were surrounding her. I explained that this was Holy Spirit and if she wanted to know Him more, I could pray. She said yes and I prayed, on the dance floor for Her to know Jesus more.

        She kept saying how happy she felt.

        30 minutes later, i got a definite nudge from our Lord that it was time to leave.

        All I’m saying is, Christ showed this lady love. She wasn’t always a lesbian, but her first husband had abused her. In the bible, it clearly states that Christ sat EATING (which in those days means sharing) with sinners. He allowed prostitutes to touch Him.

        Being unequally yoked as someone posted isn’t I believe about only having Christian friends, after all, we are the salt of the world are we not? The light is meant to shine in the darkness and He is in us, the light in us is meant to be taken into the darkness.

        Should we buy Pentatonix album? I believe that we should pray for all their salvation, pray for the Christian in the group to be able to witness to his friends.

        I came from a very legalistic background. Very Pharisical. So even though I was a ‘Christian’ my whole life, it’s only in the last 10 that God has shown me the error as I was criticising, judging others because they didn’t do it like this etc etc. Yes, I agree that same sex relationships are completely not in line with God’s wish at all and I will never say otherwise, But, is it any different to any pre-marital sex, living together unmarried? It is still sin. But God got me out of all my past sin via showing me how much He loved me.

        How refreshing would it be, if this group were inundated with Christians, not bashing them, but telling them about how much Jesus loves them, what He did for them and WHY He did it. Opening their eyes to the enemy’s schemes, all backed by prayer. The enemy can not create a thing. This groups talent is from God. Why don’t we actively pray that as time goes on, they choose to use their talent to worship God? Is is true that as you go closer to God, your understanding about sin increases and you abhor it. But you abhor it in a way that is leading people to Jesus not making them feel judged. Jesus did not come into this world to condemn the world but to save it. Let’s use our voices to say how talented this group are and point them lovingly to how much Jesus loves them.

        Unless they have an encounter with Jesus, unless they feel His love for them, they will have no logical reason to change. Only through the revelation of Jesus. Maybes someone should send them the passion version of the bible.

        I believe in miracles because I am one. God loves this 5 people. Let’s be honest, they have spent their time promoting Christian carols, yes for money i dare say, but God brings Good from all things to those that love Him and are called. Is the Christian member of this group not called? Does he not love Jesus. Maybe this is a step in the right direction for the group. If they find that the Christian community is flooding them with love which one can do without being accepting of their sin, is this not Jesus. Jesus told the lady caught in adultery ‘is anyone prosecuting you, well neither do i, go and STOP sinning’. He didn’t insist she became pure before he said he wasn’t prosecuting her. He gave her His love first and then gave Her a direction. We do not know what she chose but we see how Jesus dealt with sin.

        I believe that legalism and religion have a lot to answer for. God loves us all equally. By loving this group, we are not accepting of any of their sins, just like loving our children, parents etc doesn’t mean we agree with their choices but, as Christians, we would be better placed to be showing Jesus by showing love. Love is not wimpy, it’s powerful. Ask God to open their eyes every day. Can you imagine what would happen is this whole group found God!!!!! God has allowed all this to be discussed for good I believe. Let’s not worry about whether to buy or not to buy (ask Holy Spirit, He will direct you) but to channel our time into praying for God to use this group, who are hugely talented, for His Glory and His Glory alone.

        • There are problems with your claims – first of all the Gospel isn’t that God loves everyone. Example, ‘Jacob I loved, Esau I hated’. The bible states Christ died for the ungodly – there’s no mention of emotions here.

          Second of all, you claim this woman was overcome with emotions because you told her Jesus loved her. Emotions are not what needs to be dealt with – the heart is. The heart must be pricked by God and the sinner must come to a right understanding of why they need Christ. Please, where does the bible tell us to tell sinners God loves them? To tell someone God loves them is not commanded by God; what if this woman continues in her sins and perishes? Wouldn’t she have a right to question God because, after all, you told her He loved her and she perished? What kind of God loves everyone yet allows them to perish? This is what happens when we adhere to a false gospel, which also includes ‘free will’.

          So many ‘Christians’ today have a ‘god’ that they’ve formed in their own understanding, a god that they build around one attribute -love – then present to others. The love of God must be understood in its proper context. We love Him because He first loved us- who is being addressed in this epistle? Believers or non-believers? Who does John speak to? ‘Beloved’ – this epistle is written to believers, whom God chose to set His affection on.

          So, was this sinner you confronted born again, and was repentance proclaimed? You didn’t say, so I assume not, but I don’t know for certain. Yet, what do we find in the bible?
          Mat_3:2  And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
          Mat_4:17  From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
          Mar_1:15  And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.
          Act_2:38  Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
          Act_3:19  Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;
          Act_8:22  Repent therefore of this thy wickedness, and pray God, if perhaps the thought of thine heart may be forgiven thee.
          Act_17:30  And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:

          A gospel presentation without the mention of repentance is no gospel at all. As for love, what is the biblical definition of love? Is it an emotion?
          If you love sinners, you will tell them truth, for love is an action. You won’t spare their feelings and sugar coat God’s truth.

          All you did was play on her emotions and make her feel comfortable about her abomination. You have no right to tell a sinner God loves them!

          From the bible – Psa 7:11  God judgeth the righteous, and God is angry with the wicked every day. 
          Psa 7:12  If he turn not, he will whet his sword; he hath bent his bow, and made it ready. 
          In verse 11, angry means enraged. Every day means ‘constant, continual’. Here is commentary from Albert Barnes – “The words “God is angry” must, of course, be understood in a manner in accordance with the divine nature; and we are not to suppose that precisely the same passions, or the same feelings, are referred to when this language is used of God which is implied when it is used of people. It means that his nature, his laws, his government, his feelings, are all arrayed against the wicked; that he cannot regard the conduct of the wicked with favor; that he will punish them. While his judgment in regard to the righteous must be in their favor, it must just as certainly be against the wicked; while he will vindicate the one, he will cut off and punish the other. Of the truth of this in respect to the divine character there can be no doubt. Indeed, we could not honor a God – as we could honor no other being – who would deal with the righteous and the wicked alike, or who would have no respect to character in the treatment of others, and in his feelings toward them.”

          It is better to remain silent than to attempt to give a faulty ‘gospel’. Sinners don’t need to hear that Christ loves them, they need to hear they have sinned against their Creator, they will perish apart from trusting in what Christ has done to reconcile them back to the God they hate and rebel against. They need to hear of God’s mercy and grace, and Christ’s death, burial and resurrection from the dead.
          Act_17:18  Then certain philosophers of the Epicureans, and of the Stoicks, encountered him. And some said, What will this babbler say? other some, He seemeth to be a setter forth of strange gods: because he preached unto them Jesus, and the resurrection.
          Act_26:20  But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance.

          The Apostles did not leave out repentance and the resurrection, nor did they tell anyone that God loved them. Today, most add to the ‘gospel’ and make it an accursed one.

  24. I agree with the author. This issue is not about only accepting homosexuality in the workplace, in politics or even in culture, but in the church. Millenials have been brainwashed into believing homosexuality is an identity, not a behavior. This was hotly debated in the 90s, but the LGBT agenda marched onward in despite being proven wrong. It was then planted in the minds of millions via diversity politics in the public schools by liberally trained, often low-paid, teachers with a victim mindset influenced by radical feminism and racial politics. As millenials invaded the workplace, so did their ideas. The best thing Christians can do is continue to hammer the truth that every man who talks with a lisp is demonstrating a choice. Every eyebrow piercing, every feminine gesture, every fashion statement is a choice. Marching half naked in the street wearing leather chaps is a choice. Going to a gay bar is a choice. They are not just deceived, they brainwashed. That means they are beyond reason. IF they cannot be persuaded of their error, they will be judged by God. The Bible calls it “reprobate.” That is why there are numerous warnings against deception. It starts in the mind.

  25. I agree with the author. This issue is not about only accepting homosexuality in the workplace, in politics or even in culture, but in the church. Millenials have been brainwashed into believing homosexuality is an identity, not a behavior. This was hotly debated in the 90s, but the LGBT agenda marched onward in despite being proven wrong. It was then planted in the minds of millions via diversity politics in the public schools by liberally trained, often low-paid, teachers with a victim mindset influenced by radical feminism and racial politics. As millenials invaded the workplace, so did their ideas. The best thing Christians can do is continue to hammer the truth that every man who talks with a lisp is demonstrating a choice. Every eyebrow piercing, every feminine gesture, every fashion statement is a choice. Marching half naked in the street wearing leather chaps is a choice. Going to a gay bar is a choice. They are not just deceived, they brainwashed. That means they are beyond reason. IF they cannot be persuaded of their error, they will be judged by God. The Bible calls it “reprobate.” That is why there are numerous warnings against deception. It begins with what we believe.

  26. We are none without sin! Priests, pastors, choir directors,Sunday school teachers, nuns, deacons, etc… We all have sins in our lives but God still wants us to use our talents for His glory just as they are doing. We all make our choices in this life- right or wrong, moral or immoral. I am a divorced woman so shall I bury my head in the sand???

    • Priscilla,

      Where did anyone state they were without sin? You threaten ‘judgment’ when in fact, YOU are the one judging!! It’s shameful how others misconstrue that word, pull it out of it’s biblical context, and attempt to use it as a weapon against those who expose error and uphold truth. This is due to a wrong understanding of God’s truth. You have just enough knowledge to be dangerous.

      Do you have scriptural support that God uses the unsaved to help others ‘get saved’? It’s interesting how those with a shallow/limited understanding of how God saves come on threads such as this and start pointing fingers, and spewing out opinions based on emotions.
      Those ‘choices’ are what the Bible calls sin. Using worldly terminology will never suffice when it comes to attempting to speak God’s truth.

      As for your divorce, was it biblical and if not, has God broken you over your sin[s]? Repentance is key in the life of a born again believer. If you have not been brought to repentance, a Godly sorrow and NOT a worldly sorrow, then burying your head in the sand will be of no use. You cannot hide from God.

  27. I understand where you are coming from. I thought long and hard on this before posting. I agree with you about the Bible. It is 100% truth and we should strive to follow it to the T. I try everyday, and everyday I fail. Everyday I mess something up, whether it be not showing love to someone, or being angry, passing on a word of gossip that I heard. It’s something every single person on the planet fails at daily, and you know why? Because we are human. Just by even speaking Ill about this group is sinning. But see this is where Gods Grace steps in. His grace covers us. Everyone sins different, but guess what sin is sin. It’s all the same in Gods eyes. Just because they sin differently than you or I doesn’t make their sin any better or worse. It becomes so easy to point our fingers at other people and what their sin is. God commands us to be a light to the world and his hand extended. Do you really think if Jesus was here, that he would be tearing them down? I mean honestly look at the people he used. Murderers, adulters, liars, thieves, prostitutes… these are the people he chose to use. So how about all of us try showing some compassion and love. We aren’t God. If God is choosing to use them who are we to say otherwise.

    • Melony,
      Exposing this group, who claims to be ‘Christian’ and yet there are some members that profess to be homosexual, is NOT sin!! Good grief where do you people come up with this stuff? Eph. 5:11 Do not participate in the unfruitful deeds of darkness, but instead even expose them.

      Where oh where did anybody mention sinless perfection? This is NOT about anyone here claiming to be ‘holier than thou’, this is about exposing fake christianity. Verbal professions are meaningless, does anybody understand this? Christ warned that many will call Him Lord, but He will tell them to depart, He NEVER knew them.

      Do you understand repentance? Do you understand this from 1 Cor. 6:9-11, Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,  Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you.

      Now take note of verse 11, ‘such WERE some of you’, it is a verb in the PAST TENSE. That means that ALL the Apostle mentioned prior to verse 11 are sins that are NO LONGER practiced by God’s elect. That is what true repentance is, a turning away from sin. Three Greek words are used in the New Testament which present different phases of repentance. First, metanoeo, which means a change of mind (Matt. 3:2; Mark 1:15, etc.). Second, metanolomai which means a change of heart (Matt. 21:29, 32; Heb. 7:21, etc.). Third, metanoia, which means a change of course or life (Matt. 3:8; 9:13; Acts 20:21). The three must go together for a genuine repentance. Many experience a change of mind: they are instructed, and know better, but they continue to defy God. Some are even exercised in heart or conscience, yet they continue in sin. Some amend their ways, yet not from love to God and hatred of sin. Some are informed in mind and uneasy in heart, who never reform their lives. The three must go together.

      Exposing false Christianity is NOT a sin, so stop with the silly accusations. If you want to debate, use the word of God to do so and not your fleshly opinions, which hold no water compared to biblical truth. I get tired of everyone passing judgment on those who expose what is false and the only thing you have is your opinion?!?

      • Unworthy1.. You and your unbending, legalistic ways, are the exact reason people are running away from the church, instead of to it. You keep stating over and over in these posts that none of us know scripture, that we have nothing to back it up. I know scripture and I know it well. But you know what else I know? I know Gods grace and his love. The very pit of hell that he has pulled me out of, is the very driving force that helps me have compassion and love to others sins and their struggles. I understand how hard it is everyday to struggle with a sin and how my human flesh wants to go back to that sin. Pointing our fingers and publicly or privately condemning people is not the way. People are not going to change that way. It’s only through love and patient guidance. It’s only through Jesus, that people can and will change. You can’t meet Jesus and stay the same. We do not know their struggle. We don’t know if they cry out to Jesus everyday and ask to change. We do not know. Only they and God know. But I do know that if we keep tearing them down and being Judgemental jerks, we will never reach them. I don’t know about you, but my goal as a Christian is to bring more people to Christ, not scare them away. I am going to choose to love them through it. I am going to choose to be a light. I choose to be Gods hand extended. I choose to gently coax people through the process and share my own testimony of coming out of my sin. That’s what I am choosing to do, instead of being a legalistic, Judgemental jerk.

        • Melony,

          It’s up to you to point to my errors, then use Scripture to back your accusations. Show me where I’ve gone outside God’s word.

          You choose to gently coax people? Are you saying you have power to save sinners?

          What is your understanding of repentance and the new birth?

        • Where did I condemn? Also, who are you referring to when you say ‘We don’t know if they cry out to Jesus everyday and ask to change. We do not know.’
          This post is about a group of singers, a couple of which profess to be homosexual. Here’s some insight for you, “What are the advantages and disadvantages of being one of two gay members of Pentatonix?

          There are actually more advantages than disadvantages. I think it’s a great thing. I love that our fans are so accepting of it. It’s amazing; it makes me feel so close to them.

          Some people might say that being openly gay in the music business might deter you from having a career, but I don’t think that’s true. My career, as a queer person, has been pretty successful. We’re still on our way up, but I think we’ve been doing an amazing job. I love the support. I’m proud.” source – https://thegavoice.com/mitch-grassi-of-pentatonix-on-being-gay-in-the-cool-a-cappella-band/

          Does that sound like someone who’s crying out? Someone who wants to change?
          When you presume things, your imagination will run away with you.

          This is from his twitter feed — WARNING!!! This is NOT for everyone

          Mitch Grassi ‏@mitchgrassi Dec 26
          how amazing would a string quartet version of ‘sex with me’ be
          243 replies 639 retweets 4,273 likes
          Reply 243 Retweet 639
          Like 4.3K

          And you defend this, plus, you claim to be a Christian? I have no idea if you are of the elect of God or not, but I do know that the fruit you display doesn’t look good at all.

          Psa_119:104  Through thy precepts I get understanding: therefore I hate every false way.
          Born again believers should detest all sin, especially their own.

          You call me a ‘judgmental jerk’, so it’s okay for you to pass judgment, but I shouldn’t call out what is false and trying to label itself as Christian?

          You also state you want to bring more people to Christ, so you have power to do that? Not according to the Bible, read Romans 1:16.

          You may be surprised to hear the Gospel of Christ is most offensive to sinners. They recoil at hearing they are vile, sinful and in need of Christ’s atoning work. Have you read how they reacted at the preaching of Stephen? God must work in the heart of sinners or they would tear out the hearts of His messengers if they could. You have no power to win sinners over, we are to proclaim Christ and His death, burial and resurrection. However, IF they do as they did at the preaching of Peter and say ‘what must I do to be saved’, the credit doesn’t go to the messenger. God the Spirit is the One who gets credit, as He uses God’s truth and moves like the wind within the heart of a sinner.

          I already asked what your understanding is on regeneration and repentance and await your answer.

        • Melony, you have genuine concern for the lost which is a godly attribute.

          I would agree with you IF the “struggle” you mention exists with the gay members of Pentatonix. So far they have indicated that they do not struggle with their homosexuality. They embrace it. They promote it. They celebrate it.

          And they want us to celebrate it as well. And we cannot do that because the Word of God does not allow us.

  28. I can certainly say that they sing beautifully; however as a Christian It very important to keep our testimony! Not every one especially our young people coming up can become confused or accepting of this type of immoral behavior that seems to always be in the forefront these last days! There is an old adage that says “tell me who you hang around with and I will tell you who you are!” You might not practice what they do but you will eventually accept or even condone their belief! Beware..let us not be fooled! You can’t walk on both sides of the fence…You will eventually fall on one side or the other! Lots of deception and acceptance today! We love the sinner..and the distinction is not the sin! Like Jesus said ” go and sin no more!”

  29. Exactly Mary! As soon as ‘professing Christians’ start accepting everything/everyone as being ‘okay’, then compromise has taken hold and they will soon be dragged off into the ecumenism that permeates this nation. Yes, today’s professing Christians are lukewarm and they embrace sin. They think God is all love, love, love. They forget He is thrice holy, and He detests sin. He hates wickedness. He will in no way let the guilty go unpunished. We are called to warn sinners to flee the wrath to come and NOT to embrace them in their sins. The bible commands sinners to ‘repent and believe on the Lord Jesus’. That is not a choice, that is a command.
    Most haven’t a clue who the God of the bible is, they are comfortable with a ‘jesus’ that embraces sin, that is all warm and fuzzy over others and doesn’t care about how vile others are….in other words, a ‘jesus’ that looks just like them! That is not who the Christ of the bible is – He is the Lion of the tribe of Judah and He’s coming again to unleash the most horrific wrath on sinners.
    A low view of God leads to a complete wrong understanding of His truth. A lopsided ‘god’ that is all love but fails to mention His holiness, righteousness, sovereignty, power and might is no god at all; the true God of the Bible is never rightly expounded upon in most churches and therefore looks nothing like the ‘god’ most Americans claim to believe in.

    Superficial Christianity is rampant, with most being driven by emotions and opinion rather than the Spirit and His truth.

    Ye MUST be born again!!!!

  30. Here is the crux of the matter – “While at least one member of the band publicly claims to be a Christian, two other members are openly gay. Furthermore the band is active in promoting the LGBTQ agenda.”

    You simply cannot be a follower of Christ, sing songs that some label as ‘Christian’ {I use that very loosely}, and embrace the LGBTQ agenda. That is NOT true biblical Christianity. The true born again believer in Christ warns sinners to flee the wrath to come and begs them to be reconciled to God through Christ. Repentance is proclaimed, and sin is NOT made light of nor embraced.
    Many of these comments on this thread are very sad; they reflect people driven by their emotions and their own opinions. What does the Bible teach about the human heart and emotions? “The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?” Jeremiah 17:9
    The ‘heart’ includes your thoughts, will, emotions, etc.- the whole ‘inner man’. It is deceitful, full of trickery, and desperately wicked, meaning sick and incurable. And people trust their ‘heart’ to guide them?

  31. You’re being quite judgemental, which in turn is also a sin and all sin is equal in the eyes of God. Make sure you are perfect before you judge others. Btw I would listen to an openly gay pastor if he was good😊.

    • 1 Cor. 2:15 “The spiritual man makes judgments about all things, but he himself is subject to no man’s judgment.”

      1 Cor. 5:12 “What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? God will judge those outside, “Expel the wicked man from among you.”

      1 Cor. 5:9-11 “I have written to you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people – not at all meaning the people of this world who are immoral […] In that case you would have to leave this world. But now I am writing to you that you must not associate with anyone who calls himself a brother but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or slanderer, a drunkard or a swindler. With such a man do not even eat.”

      1 Cor. 6:9 “Do not be deceived. Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.”

      Explain these verses. And then explain why it is almost exclusively women that defend the LGBTQ brainwashing agenda. I’ll do it for you: The woman was deceived. Genesis 3:13.

    • But it’s okay for you to judge me? I believe Gen X has rightly answered your false accusations.

      Now, if you would be comfortable sitting under the preaching of a homosexual pastor, you have huge issues and show lack of discernment.
      You take no issue with what God calls an abomination? As long as he’s ‘good’. How do you define good? You claim ‘judging’ is sin, but you would take no issue with a homosexual pastor? ! Do you realize that homosexual sin is repulsive to the Lord, and to state such a deviant sinner could preach is beyond comprehension. Those who do not repent have no right to take the precious word of God upon their lips, not to mention they do not even know or understand truth. They are void of the Spirit.
      This is what people like yourself do not get, if someone is still in their sins and has no desire to leave them, that person is not saved, knows nothing of biblical repentance and of the new birth- which is essential to enter God’s kingdom. No sodomite can be ‘good’ at preaching because the Spirit of God does NOT reside in the unregenerate.
      “Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,  Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.  And such were some of you” 1 Corinthians 6:9-11

      Take note of ‘such WERE’ that is past tense. It means you no longer practice the sins Paul mentioned prior.

      You have accused me of judging, can you point to an exact part of the comment that displayed wrong judgment, then back that with Scripture?

  32. Hello guys,
    Im from germany so my English isn’t the best. I hope you understand me anyway.
    I think what you write here is not the best way to Deal with the Band.
    I really like the music they sing and so I asked me the Same question you talked about here.
    I’m with you with the Part, that beeing gay is sin but thats No reason to stop Listen to them or hate them or something else. If we go After that System, that we boycott everybody who is a sinner, we can do nothing, becurse we all are sinner and theres No sin worse that the other.
    Jesus teached us to love everybody. He went to the sick, becurse the need the doctor, Not those, who are perfect.
    Hate the sin, but love the sinner.

  33. If you truly are concerned about a lost sinner, you will give them truth and not embrace or gloss over their sins.

    This story is tragic, but it does reveal the depravity of the heart of the homosexual – http://christiannews.net/2016/12/29/police-say-gay-rights-advocate-husband-who-committed-suicide-molested-10-adolescent-boys/

    The vileness of sin is NOT to be made light of – the blackness of a heart entrenched in this sin, by choice, unfolds in the above story. Yet many want to shrug this off as no big deal? Warn sinners to flee the wrath to come! Urge them to be reconciled to God through Christ.

    • This is a great truth that has just recently become a realization for me and I am grateful for you posting this. This is something I wished I had learned earlier but I got caught up in the approval of the world and not wanting them to think I was being judgmental or legalistic but Christine Caine spoke at Passion and made the statement that obedience is not legalism and this hit me like a ton a bricks. Thanks for speaking the truth! I am glad I ran across this blog and read your comment.

  34. Thanks for being bold in the truth of the gospel. Our culture has Americanized Christianity so much and we mold our faith to the world’s acceptance of us so that they don’t call us legalistic or judgmental, but obedience is not legalism. I loved reading this, thank you. It was encouraging and convicting at the same time!

  35. I see your points, but I don’t agree with this post for one reason, mainly. Just because I like their music doesn’t mean I have to agree with them. We, as Christians, are allowed to be around Atheists, Agnostics, and other religions, and we don’t have to agree with them. It’s one thing to say, “Here, look at this cool song!” and another to say, “Here, look at the people in this band’s beliefs!” I can enjoy their exceptional music without caring about their political agenda. I honestly don’t care at all about whether they support gay rights or not, that’s their choice. I may not agree with them, but I can still enjoy their music. The people are not our enemy here on Earth, and arguing that their music can’t be enjoyed because they have different beliefs isn’t going to change their minds, or help convince any other non-Christians to convert. Avoiding all people who disagree with us will result in us all losing a sense of the reality of what people actually go through and not being able to empathize and actually help the world find a way to the true path. I understand your points, and why you say we should protect ourselves from sin, but if we shelter ourselves completely, we have no way of aiding the lost people. As I said, the people are not our enemy.

    • I’m glad that you felt comfortable sharing your views, Tyler. However, there is this quote:

      “I honestly don’t care at all about whether they support gay rights or not, ”

      This is a very confusing statement to me from someone who considers themself a Christian when I read verses like those in 1 Cor. 6 which tells us who will not inherit the kingdom of heaven.

      I will always care about gay people because they are lost according to the scriptures. I will not be silent and uncaring to the point of not letting them know the truth of God’s Word.

      • What I meant by this is that it’s their choice. I, as an ordinary citizen, probably have no chance of persuading them to change their stance. I listen to their music for the sake of listening to their music, not their political views. To me, it doesn’t matter whether they support gay rights or not. I love the gay people as I’m called to do; I love all people. And because I care, I can tell gay people that they’re sinning, because I want them to share my eternity. However, the chances of me encountering a group like Pentatonix are very slim, and swaying their ideology even slimmer. If you don’t want to listen to their music, that’s your choice, but I’m not going to stop listening because of something completely unrelated to their music. If you’re going to stop listening to music because the people who made it are sinners, then you can’t listen to any music. Ever. Not Mozart, not Christian music, not even children’s recitals. Every single human on Earth is a sinner, so it’s hypocritical to say you can’t listen to or enjoy this music because the people who made it are sinners and then listen to any other piece of music ever. My point isn’t that they aren’t sinners, it’s that you can enjoy acheivements made by sinners without constantly thinking, “Oh, these people are sinners.” Otherwise, you can’t enjoy art, scientific discoveries, mathematical achievements, or anything and everything you use in daily life.

        • Well, Tyler, I am a sinner saved by God’s grace. The Apostle Paul wrestled with his sin. I am not claiming to be perfect and I really have no desire to stop you from listening to this group’s music. It should, however, be known by the Christian community that they support ideas that and not Godly. My point was that you stated:

          “I honestly don’t care at all about whether they support gay rights or not,”

          That you “didn’t care” that they supported an overtly unGodly lifestyle was the issue I had with your statement. You don’t seem to have retracted that statement with your last one. Honestly, the more I grow to understand the results of sin, the more I hate it. But, I have to admit that there are times when I am frustrated just like the great Apostle.

      • And we are called to love, not to judge. God will judge all in the end according to his laws. It’s not up to us to decide who is going to heaven and who isn’t. We can love people, and tell them they’re doing wrong, but we ultimately can’t make that decision for them.

        • In response to Tyler

          You think loving others means you overlook their sin? Is it ‘judging’ when we stand against sin and warn sinners to flee the wrath to come? What would you say the apostle John is doing here when he said  ‘For John had said unto Herod, “It is not lawful for thee to have thy brother’s wife.” Mark 6:18. Or when Stephen stated this, ” Ye stiff necked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye. “- Acts 7:51

          True biblical love is when we point sinners to their sins and tell them to repent and believe on the Lord Jesus. You don’t seem to have the things of God at the forefront, you’d rather just glide along through life thinking this world is for you to enjoy and get the most out of life. You forget the bible says NOT to love the world or the things of the world – that would certainly include music from unregenerate sinners. You have no understanding what ‘deny self’ means.

          Christ told Nicodemus ‘ye must be born again’. The new birth is essential in order to understand the things of God as well as the condition of man. This is a work of God the Spirit and not according to man’s will or works. May God do a work in every heart that professes Jesus yet loves the world.

        • Sir, I’m sure you’re an intelligent and kind person in real life, but I’m getting tired of this. I’ve read the Bible, I have founded my faith upon fact, and research I’ve done, conclusions I’ve reached. You have directly accused me of several completely unfounded things and made rather large assumptions. First of all, read my entire comment carefully, not just that reply. You may notice that I said I will tell the people I love that they are sinning, because I want to share heaven with them.

          You accused me of ‘overlooking sins’ and not sharing in your definition of biblical love. However, your definition is precisely what I was trying to convey. My point was that I can and will tell people that they are doing wrong and need repentance, but I cannot make that choice for them. That is their decision, not mine to make. They must choose to follow Christ. If I could save people by simply dunking them underwater and telling them to repent, don’t you think I would be at the pool, dunking people? If I make a decision for them, it’s not from the heart, it’s peer pressure, and it doesn’t matter if they say they are Christian when they don’t actually have faith. That won’t save anyone.

          Now, I will admit to struggling with things of the world, I enjoy the world. I know and understand what self-denial is. No one is perfect, and I’m willing to bet you struggle with similar things. The very fact that you are using a computer is evidence that you use things of the world, or you and I wouldn’t be having this debate.

          It may seem easy to portray a perfect soldier for God over the blind mask of the Internet, but we are all broken people. As your name implies, we are unworthy. It’s damaging to us, as an ego is sinful, and to the reputation of Christians to pretend we are perfect. And before you say that me being worried about the reputation of Christianity is a thing of the world, let me say you’re halfway right. Yes, we shouldn’t have to care about our reputation, but I think we must. Non-Christians look down on us because our reputation is of a bunch of self-righteous bumbling morons who go to a temple to stand in a circle and pat each other’s backs for being great. We need the world to see that we are, in fact, broken people that have been redeemed.

          Also, most of us think of things other than God some of the time. We shouldn’t have to, but it is a struggle to keep focused on the only all-powerful force. Seems silly, doesn’t it? We can’t focus on something like that? But I promise you, I am constantly striving towards it. I am not gliding along with the world, I am trying to be a light in the best way I see fit, which is to build relationships with people and give well-thought-out reasoning and evidence in my faith to the people around me. That doesn’t equal being one with the world, but it does require me to be able to understand people. I stand up for my views, and everyone I am around knows it.

          As for your point about me listening to ‘music from unregenerate sinners’, I have addressed that in my post. If you don’t want to listen to them, fine. I don’t have a problem with that. But they don’t use foul language in their songs, and their songs themselves don’t promote the gay agenda. Their songs have nothing to do with their political stance. Their songs themselves aren’t full of sin, like a lot of the modern music today.

          If you don’t want to listen to music by sinners, however, you are no longer allowed to listen to any music. No Mozart, no Christian music, no children’s recitals. Every single one of those songs, including songs without words and songs by Christians, is from a sinner. There is literally no perfect human in the entire history of the world besides Jesus. So next time a niece, nephew, or other little child has a recital, you will have to look them in the eyes and say, “No, I can’t go, because you are all sinners, and the people who wrote that music are sinners. You and your friends sin, so I can’t enjoy or promote your music. Sorry!” I believe Phil from Germany put it best, saying,

          “If we go After that System, that we boycott everybody who is a sinner, we can do nothing, becurse we all are sinner and theres No sin worse that the other. Jesus teached us to love everybody. He went to the sick, becurse the need the doctor… Hate the sin, but love the sinner.”

          So you see, if you boycott everything made by sinners, and everyone who is a sinner, you will have to float in the air, naked, eyes closed, hoping no sounds of humanity drift up to you. You could no longer use anything created by humans, or interact with anyone.

          You can lead a horse to water, but you can’t make it drink. You cannot force people to take your point of view and drop theirs. You don’t have to agree with anything I say, but I personally will try to build relationships with people and give them a reason to convert to Christianity, other than threatening them with a doom they don’t believe in.

          And one more thing- aggressively accusing your fellow Christians of sins over an internet article doesn’t help anyone. We are all Christians, and we all fight for the same things. A house divided against itself cannot stand. Cheers!

        • Going back to the original post, Tyler, DiT stated:

          “While at least one member of the band publicly claims to be a Christian, two other members are openly gay. Furthermore the band is active in promoting the LGBTQ agenda. All this at the same time as taking advantage of the evangelical Christian market which may be their top target in selling albums.”

          You write, “A house divided against itself cannot stand.”

          I must ask you then Tyler, what will we be divided over? If it is not homosexuality then what?

          Here is another of your statements:

          “aggressively accusing your fellow Christians of sins over an internet article doesn’t help anyone”

          I strongly disagree. I think posts like this one are much needed in our times. Young people are very confused by so much acceptance of a lifestyle that is not pleasing to God. Someone’s got to stand up for the Bible’s take on this issue. If it isn’t Christians, then who will it be?

        • Again, well said Chris. The elect of God will stand firm against sin, and persecution will come….more often than not, it comes from professing Christianity. There will be no compromise with God’s elect.

          “Young people are very confused by so much acceptance of a lifestyle that is not pleasing to God. Someone’s got to stand up for the Bible’s take on this issue. If it isn’t Christians, then who will it be?” Exactly! The ruler of this world is thrilled that professing Christians remain silent on this abomination to God – it helps to further the satanic agenda. However, what are the warnings from Christ the Lord on lukewarmness? Rev 3:16  “So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.” All who straddle the fence and refuse to ‘rock the boat’ will be rejected by God.

        • Thanks unworthy 1 and I can relate to your name.

          I grew up in a time when most Contemporary Christian Musicians made little money in spite of their talent. A few of those were able to make a living off of their music but the majority of the talented artists I listened to were more interesting in saving souls than becoming famous or being wealthy.

          I remember the band Mustard Seed Faith coming to my Junior College and they knew we couldn’t pay them much. They came anyway, as did Chuck Smith. Pastor Smith came for nothing and it was a bit of a drive from Costa Mesa to Walnut, California.

          How things have changed. So much is about the artist(s) these days and not the message. And then there are groups like this one. They may sound good and they may have written a few good songs but what kind of witness are they? I submit they are a horrible witness. They do much more harm than good. The verse you have shared from Revelation is one of the reasons I feel this way.

  36. You seem to jump to a few conclusions, I will only address a couple. Where did I say we must boycott everything? I didn’t. Where did I give my ‘point of view’? Let me give the verses I partially quoted, the one about denying self, “Mar_8:34 And calling the crowd to him with his disciples, he said to them, “If anyone would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross and follow me.” As for not loving the world or the things of the world, look at 1Jn_2:15 Do not love the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him.” If you love God, the world and all it uses to entice will be repulsive to you.
    Where did I state we must be ‘perfect’? Again, I never said nor implied such. As for listening to various forms of music, you are going down rabbit trails with your response. If you want to listen to their music, that is your decision. Here is my actual point – they claim to be Christian, yet some are homosexual. You don’t care about that, so you say. It doesn’t bother you that they make such a claim and yet practice an abomination? It has not ONE THING to do with their music, rather, it is their claim to be Christian and yet indulge in homosexuality that should be the issue.

    Here’s a question, you say ” I am trying to be a light in the best way I see fit”. So, you are reliant upon yourself to be the light? Why not rely completely upon Christ? Are you in charge or is Christ?

    You say “The very fact that you are using a computer is evidence that you use things of the world” – let me clarify – The bible does not say you cannot use the things of the world, the bible says ‘do not LOVE the things of the world’.

    Lastly, you say ” They must choose to follow Christ.” This is unscriptural. Sinners do not have the ability to ‘choose’ Jesus or to reject Him. It is God who saves, God who gives the gift of faith and salvation through His grace, ” For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.” Eph. 2:8-9
    To say a sinner can choose would be classified as a ‘work’, which the text clearly says does not save.

    Lyn

  37. Chris,

    You are spot on when you say ” I am not claiming to be perfect and I really have no desire to stop you from listening to this group’s music. It should, however, be known by the Christian community that they support ideas that and not Godly. My point was that you stated:

    “I honestly don’t care at all about whether they support gay rights or not,”

    We are ALL sinners and none are perfect. Rom 3:10  As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: 
    Rom 3:11  There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. 
    Yes, the Apostle wrestled with sin as we all do. To accuse the elect of God who stand for truth as being ‘perfect, judgmental or self righteous’ is the norm. The issue isn’t any of that, the issue is with Tyler’s comment, “I honestly don’t care at all about whether they support gay rights or not,”
    How can a blood bought born again believer be so flippant about such grievous sin? This is nothing more than tolerance and compromise, and we are never called to do either of those. This sinful tolerance is covered up under the guise of ‘love’. Truly sad.

    lyn

  38. My point is this: Everyone sins. We shouldn’t get worked up over something we can’t change, like another person’s ideology. Especially someone we can’t even witness to. It is, in fact, their choice as to whether they follow Christ or not. God gave us free will. Whether they choose the right path or not is for them to decide. You can only control yourself. I’m done arguing over the internet, where things can be so easily misinterpreted. We are all Christians here. Not everyone interprets the Bible the same way. If we truly want to witness to the world and bring people to Christ, we must actually do that. Not argue with each other.

    • You were confronted over your statement, ““I honestly don’t care at all about whether they support gay rights or not,”which you refuse to clarify on.

      Here is another error from you, “God gave us free will” – can you point me to the bible verse that verifies this statement?
      Here is what the bible actually teaches, Joh 8:34  Jesus answered them, “Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.” All are in bondage to sin and cannot overpower it.
      Eph 2:1  “And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins”. All are dead in trespasses and sin, that includes every part of man, including the will. There’s more, but this will suffice for now.

      No one here is arguing, rather, you are being called out for questionable remarks and wrong theology. Iron sharpens iron.

      • One last thing, speaking error leads others astray. God will hold all accountable who do such. Those who tell others they have free will to choose Jesus are speaking error, this is what is known as an ‘accursed gospel’.

        • Hey, noticed this and thought I’d give my say. There’s a plethora of evidence that God gave us free will. First, your ability to do anything. The fact that you can think for yourself means that God isn’t controlling you. If you didn’t have free will, it would be God playing with puppets. He gave us free will and we can choose him or Satan.

          “O if only you would actually pay attention to my commandments! Then your peace would become just like a river.”- Isaiah 48:18

          In this verse, he makes it clear that we have the choice to pay attention or not.

          The Bible does teach that God is Almighty, that his power is not limited by anyone other than himself. (Job 37:23; Isaiah 40:26) However, he does not use his power to control everything. For example, the Bible says that God was “exercising self-control” toward ancient Babylon, an enemy of his people. (Isaiah 42:14) Similarly, for now, he chooses to tolerate those who misuse their free will to harm others. But God will not do so indefinitely.-Psalm 37:10, 11.

          Our success or failure is not determined by fate. If we want to succeed at an endeavor, we must work hard. “All that your hand finds to do,” says the Bible, “do with your very power.”(Ecclesiastes 9:10) It also says: “The plans of the diligent one surely make for advantage.”-Proverbs 21:5.

        • Actually, the first proof text you give has nothing to do with free will. What is the context of the chapter? Who was being addressed? Why was God reprimanding these people? Now, the statement that God gives us free will to choose Jesus is found in that text at all if you consider the answers to the above questions.

          Here is what the Bible teaches about man, from Jeremiah 17:9, ” The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it? ”
          Heart is from the Hebrew word lêb and is defined as ‘inner man, mind, will, heart, understanding, mind, knowledge, thinking, reflection, memory, inclination, resolution, determination (of will)’. Note that the human will is included; now, this ‘inner man’ which includes the will is ‘deceitful’, which means ‘ fraudulent or (intransitively) tracked: – crooked, deceitful, polluted’. It also is labeled as ‘desperately wicked’, meaning ‘incurable, sick’. This is the state of the whole inner man, it is entirely corrupted by sin. Yet, you claim the ‘will’ is somehow able to choose Jesus, even though in it’s natural state, it is corrupted by sin. The bible says otherwise. From 1Co 2:14  ‘But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.’ The ‘natural man’ is one who is in their natural state, lost in sin. This text tells us that a sinner cannot perceive the truths of God and His word because they are not able to, it is all foolishness. Sin blinds the mind from understanding the truths of God’s word and Christ’s Gospel. This is why Christ told Nicodemus ” Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.” To ‘see’ means to understand, discern. The new birth is a supernatural work of God the Spirit and must be done in the heart of the sinner before they can understand their vile condition and need to be saved. Take note of this, from John 1:13  Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.  Man’s will is not a free entity that functions on its own. It is tainted by sin and cannot rightly discern anything concerning sin and salvation unless God first does a work.
          No sinner will ever come to Christ by his/her own free will. John 3:19 ‘ And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.’ Here is the judgment of God, and why this judgment looms over sinners: men ‘love’ darkness. To ‘love’ here means ‘take pleasure in, long for , to welcome, to entertain, to be fond of, to love dearly’. This love goes down deep and has a firm grasp on every sinner. Commentary from David Guzik says it nicely, “What keeps people from belief in Jesus and salvation? It is sin, or is it unbelief? Really it is both, because people will not believe because they love their sin.” This is from Matthew Henry, “Wretched man is in love with his sickness, in love with his slavery, and will not be made free, will not be made whole. [3.] The true reason why men love darkness rather than light is because their deeds are evil. They love darkness because they think it is an excuse for their evil deeds, and they hate the light because it robs them of the good opinion they had of themselves, by showing them their sinfulness and misery.” Christ and His gospel exposes the sins of man, confronts the sinner straightforward and demands him/her to leave their sins. They must part with what it is they love the most. They are confronted by God and His Christ concerning their heinous rebellion and they will never part from this natural love of sin apart from God’s mercy and power bringing them to Himself.
          Coming to the light condemns the sinner, for their deeds are evil. They know their deeds are evil so they avoid the light, thus, they think they can avoid condemnation. The conscience testifies against them, so they silence their conscience. Creation cries out against sinners, so they deny the Creator and uphold a lie – evolution. Sinners know murder is a sin, so they slaughter the unborn for the sake of ‘women’s rights’. Sinners know homosexuality is wrong, so they call it ‘gay’. Sinners know marriage is supposed to be a man and a woman, so they re-define marriage and usurp the authority of the most High God. Sinners know idolatry is wrong, so they suppress the truth of God’s word and fashion multiple ‘gods’ to worship, including the ‘god’ of self. Sinners love their darkness – and the more they suppress God’s truth, the deeper into that darkness they go. They will never come to the light; to Christ and His gospel truth, ‘lest his deeds should be reproved’ [vs. 20] – or ‘  reprove, rebuke, discipline, expose, show to be guilty’
          Here is the Thayer Definition of ‘reproved’:
          1) to convict, refute, confute
          1a) generally with a suggestion of shame of the person convicted
          1b) by conviction to bring to the light, to expose
          2) to find fault with, correct
          2a) by word
          2a1) to reprehend severely, chide, admonish, reprove
          2a2) to call to account, show one his fault, demand an explanation
          2b) by deed
          2b1) to chasten, to punish
          The sin nature does NOT want to be confronted by a thrice holy God. The doctrine of ‘free will’ refuses to acknowledge this truth. Sinners will never come to Christ because the will of man is bent on darkness and hates the light.
          This is why earlier in this chapter the Lord told Nicodemus ‘ye must be born again’. It is this new birth, being ‘born from above’ that enables the sinner to ‘see’, to comprehend, understand, discern Christ and His gospel.

  39. Correction, “Now, the statement that God gives us free will to choose Jesus is found in that text at all if you consider the answers to the above questions.” should read “Now, the statement that God gives us free will to choose Jesus is NOT found in that text at all if you consider the answers to the above questions.

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