I got this photo from Cecilie’s twitter, and it illustrates the sad truth of how CPS treats biological families in Norway. A police officer and a CPS employee supervise a visit between a boy and his biological father.
This is what Norway is known for these days.
This is what the Bodnariu family has been subjected to for the past 6 months. Incomprehensible.
If the Bodnariu children are not returned at the end of the month as expected by the international community, there will be a high price to pay by the Norwegian government. The entire world will rise up in protest against Norway because of what Barnevernet did to the Bodnariu family and other families like them.
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Here are 10 reasons why we support the international protest against Norwegian Child Profiting Services:
Also, I recommend this video: NORWAY CPS (Barnevernet) TERRORIZE FAMILIES-The SAD story of BODNARIU family!
This “10 reason why” article is excellent, Octavian. I hope you don’t mind me calling you “The Detective” as you always seem to sniff out the most interesting items that no one else seems to find.
Thank you my friend…
I invite everyone to read and comment on the following post “This Child was Seized by Norway‘s Infamous Barnevernet”:
Don’t mean to be commenting so much but this is another wonderfully written Christian article, Octavian. This is re-blog material for sure. I’ve got so much backed up at the moment that I may not get to it for a month, but it’s going up!
Shame to Norway, shame to all those people supporting this criminal enterprise starting with Knut and many others who sold themselves to a corrupt system which is torturing thousands of their own citizens.Shame to this police officers shame to all those people working in this criminal system called Barnevernet.
This name has become a curse word something undesirable,Looking at this photo it reminds me of the oppressing regime of Ceausescu who has used similar methods on people.
Yes i agree with the statement above that, if the children will not be return then it will be worst for Norway in many ways.
I’m just a simple person, but consider to how may people I shared the Bodnariu story and the atrocities happening in Norway.In a while more and more people will hear what is truly happening in Norway.
Sad and humiliating for the parent. So every single thing is observed and judged by social worker. DO they sit there like that for 2-3 hours?
And why do the meetings happen in such environment, so the parents can never take the children to playground or to do something fun at least?
They usually sit there right through the visitation, to prevent any private conversation or fond hugs between parents and children. The parents are often told that if they say to the child that they long for him/her to come back, then the visitation will be broken off.
Visitations are often planned to take place in off-putting places. Or in humiliating places, like one big boy who had to meet his mother in a kindergarten, which provoked people who knew him in the community where he was placed, to laugh at him, “going to kindergarten”. The child is not going to go away with memories of a happy day with those it loves, least of all with memories of an honest, private talk with the parents.
This is so humiliating and sad! It makes me so mad at Barnevernet for treating, not only parents, and also the children is such an inhuman way!
Sadly, Barnevernet`s hearts seem to be cold as ice. This was proven to me in the way Knut approached me in my first article against Barnevernet`s attrocities. When i asked him about the children`s feelings he first wouldn`t answer. When I insisted on getting an answer, he got upset and argued that my obsession with feelings would only harm me.
Maybe Knut isn`t a representation of all Barnevernet workers. But it seems that Barnevernet employees either are trying to suppress their own feelings relating to how their handling is affecting children, or they have become so used to doing their job cold-hearted that they don`t feel anything anymore.
I couldn`t have done what the two sitting in their chairs are doing here. I would have felt so bad. It is so condescending.
When I came to live in Switzerland, I was newly married and pregnant. Me and my husband had been travelling for ten months, so we didn`t have much money and got a cheap small flat. All around us there were either elderly people, singles or couples without children. When our baby boy arrived, it became very difficult for me. He had bad stomach cramps and cried a lot. The flats were old and poorly soundproof. So you can imagine the complaints I got… In addition, we shared the washing machine and were given one week once a month to wash clothes. I didn`t know the language well and I was too shy and afraid to ask to wash in between. So I sometimes quickly washed without asking first. I know i should have asked, and I would have done it differently now. But i was young, shy and inexperienced. Somebody always came and complained about just anything to me; how badly I bound together waste paper, how badly I hung up the clothes after washing and of course everything I did wrong with my baby. After one year I was a nervous wreck and begged my husband to look for a new flat. Miraculously, we got a new flat even with our own washing machine! The flats had lots of families and especially many Italiens . It was like coming to heaven for me! Nobody was looking down at me anymore! There were other families who had noisy children and we were able to solve problems and help each other. We had so much fun together! I became free and a new person:-)
It is terrible to have someone over you who think they are better and know everything much better. One feels so anxious and so alone, always fearing that you might have done something wrong and never being good enough.
My husband and me had more children. We learned and made mistakes, made mistakes and learned. It was so nice to have friends and also professionals around who didn`t act condescending, but who respectfully offered help and advice. And that is what I, with all my heart wish for other parents as well!
Thank you for sharing your personal story, Hildi.
It relates so well, to the situation in the Nordic countries and the U.K. When did so many people lose their hearts? As you have stated, “This is…sad.”
It depends on the case and the reasons of removal of children. Some parents or other relatives visit children at their foster parents´house and they take part in some activities all together (i.e. bonfire, eating sausages). I read an article written by a foster father in which he described the importance of cooperation with biological parents in a friendly way (https://www.facebook.com/fosterhjemhedmark/posts/712501832187169:0?__mref=message)
In other cases children travel home or to their relatives from foster care or an institution quite regularly and they spend some times or days together with family. I can give an example of a young girl who lived in foster care and in an institution. In fact, her story was partly published on Norway, give us the children you stole page and she expressed very negative feelings about BV. I was able to find her diary (blog) dated back to 2011 and find out more about her childhood. She was placed in foster home (her uncle and aunt from Larvik took care of her) in 2006 because her mom was seriously ill and the girl lived in very unstable conditions (she moved around some mother´s friend, relatives etc. and nobody could take of her permanently). She was 12 old years at that time, Her mother died two years later, in 2008 and Alice was later placed in an institution in her hometown Stavanger. She lived in an orphanage, but she spent her holidays and Christmas, Easter festivities with her relatives including older brother (he is 20 years older than his sister). She was allowed to arrange visists at her room in an orphanage (every child and adolescent in this institution has had a single room) and made calls with whoever she wanted. It was not a pleasent experience all time, though. For example, her father (alcohol and drugs addict) called her and spoke about her dead mother in very harsh way (bitch, prositute etc) and she had to ignore his calls. But she didn´t live in an isolation and she had frequent contacts with her family.(blog page: http://maikenaliice.blogg.no/, Christmas time with family members- she even got some gifts including a pack of cigarettes from them- http://maikenaliice.blogg.no/1324931141_bilder_av_julegavene_.html, A “nice” conversation with dad:http://maikenaliice.blogg.no/1325935059_en_hyggelig_samtale_m.html)
BtW Why was the boy in the picture removed from his family? It´s an important information in relation to the contacts with family.
Well Veronika, the girl you have mentioned has posted herself, that she was isolated from her family. She was not allowed to see her mother often. Why dont you believe her? She was 12 years old, when she was taken. The period, that she is describing is form 2006 to 2008. After the funeral, she was only allowed few hours with her family and wanted to spend more time with them, but she was put on plane and had to return back. She did not have a good relationship with her foster parents..She was bullied at school, while in care, but nobody paid attention.
The posts that you mention about the Christmas etc. is from 2011, 2012, she was almost adult then.
I would guess that she knows what was best for her and she is adult now and can see the situation as it was.
I am sure there are children, that are grateful that they were saved from their parents and I am not going to disregard their posts. Like a young guy, who was as a child mistreated and burnt and ended up in a hospital. His parents were addicts. Of course I am not going to doubt his story. In his case it was surely only good that he was taken away.
I hear all the time, that how do we know, whether the parents are telling the truth? Well I trust them. I think if a parent is trying desperately to get his children back for many years, that shows a lot. A lot of parents are willing to share their documentation as well. They dont see another possibility to get their children back.
Just as we speak there is a little Norwegian slovak girl that should have been returned to their parents in March but is not. No hurry of course, the time is only playing against the parents. BV can not loose.
That is nice, that sometimes biological parents can meet the children more often or take them home for holidays. In how many cases does that happen? In Norway 70 % of the children are taken on emergency, I doubt such a contact is allowed in these cases.
correct: BV can of course loose some cases, not many, but some. But everything is playing against the parents, the children are in care for months, the parents have to prove their innocence and that they are good parents. The fact, that it takes so long, can be also used against the parents. This can take months & years with very limited chance of success for the parents. If BV looses and its proven, that the children should have never been taken in first place, what charges do they face? None. They can say that they were following the procedures, but of course, they can always get better. Thats it.
I believe her and I quoted all facts from her blog, actually… She was 16 years when she was contributing to her blog, but she described her past there as well. So, all information come from the girl´s own blog in which she described her life and her life prior to removal. I gave you a link to this blog, so you can check that it´s written…For example: I hadn´t known before I read her blog posts that her foster parents (from 2006-08) were her relatives (aunt, uncle and cousin). So it was family- related placement.When her mother died, she was informed by her uncle and aunt (http://maikenaliice.blogg.no/1313273880_hvil_i_fred_mamma__98.html). Her mother used to stay in hospitals for longer period of time, she couldn´t take care of the girl (btw she started smoking heavily when she was 11 years old..)…But the girl wrote that she was in contact with relatives as she likes. Yes, her childhood and adolescency was unhappy one, she had it very difficult. But I reacted on your post which assumed that the children had not usually contact with their family. I didn´t say that BV did well in this case No, it´s rather unusal that a child can not contact relatives in any other form than through visits on the so called “BV base.”
I was browsing on the budfir page, We are looking for foster parents section some time ago. We have the similar web site in the Czech republic if you want to critize that the children are on offer. But it wasn´t my main point. .In some cases Budfir emhasized that the future foster parents should maintain good relationships with biological parents or an extended family of children (quotation: grandparents are very fond of girls and they should visit them etc.). I can copy it for you if you like. The picture is not black and white I would say.
Well Veronika, in her last post, she is not that happy about how it went. Obviously she was missing her mother and wanted to go back..She also wanted to have much more contact, than she was allowed to. 2 years later her mother has died. Why did nobody listen to her, when she wanted to go back. I understand that its not always possible, so maybe her mother was sick and could not care for her, but how do you know all was done to support the family in first place? Even if the mother could not have cared for her (though a 12 year old is quite self sufficient), anything should have been done, that there would be as much contact as possible. Here is the original post for the ones who wonder, what this is about.
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Norway’s CPS, barnevernet’s ‘best interest of the child’, bravely and well written yesterday by Maiken Alice.
“”Dear Norway’s Child Protection Services, barnevernet.
You came into my life, although I wasn’t prepared for it.
You came with your wide smiles and ‘wise words’ and said you did this for the ‘best interest of the child’.
You moved me several hours away from my biological mum and you decided I was only allowed to talk with her for fifteen minutes every Wednesday, and visit her once a month for three hours at a time with supervision.
I cried every day and said how much I missed my mummy.
Is this really the ‘best interest of the child’?
I was bullied and beaten up at school and I told you (barnevernet), but the only reply I got back was that you couldn’t do anything about it.
Is this really the ‘best interest of the child’?
I was in pain living with my foster parents – we didn’t understand each other and they were far too strict on me.
All I ever got in response from them was, “you will stay here until you are 18 years old and that’s the way it is.”
Is this really the ‘best interest of the child’?
My dear mother died in 2008, and I was allowed to go to her funeral. All I wanted was to be with my family, but no, you considered six hours with my own family was good enough before I had to go back on a plane, several hours away from my own family. I cried about that, because I just wanted to be with my family, but you didn’t hear me.
Is this really the ‘best interest of the child’?
No! Norway’s CPS, barnevernet says it’s for the ‘best interest of the child’, but if you listened to what the children think and say, you would know, it’s not for the ‘best interest of the child’. No!
The ‘best interest of the child’ must start to take precedent soon over the ‘best interest of barnevernet.’”
With the continued evidence against the Barnevernet mounting, a bit of an example shared here by Pavla, why do you continue to defend Barnevernet and you don’t even live in Norway, Veronika? Can you try to help me understand why someone outside the country defends these obviously cruel practices? I can understand the protesters outside the country but you baffle me.
It wasn´t my point to discuss if BV had done everything it could. I would recommended to read her blog, it´s more informative than one post and it has no political or other motivation. The child of 12 years is not self- sufficient in the sense that she could live on her own (she had to move and was cared by different people prior to removal, because her mother stayed in hospitals almost permanently). She had older brother but their relationship has not been very good (see blog entry about Christmas for example). She was placed in her family household. We don´t know if there were another ways how to do it.
And my point or question, Veronika, is how can anyone be a supporter, which you have made clear that you are one, of the BV in Norway at this time?
Well, Chris, I detest manipulation which I can clearly smell here. I used to live in Norway and I have still some friends from Bergen. Norwegian history and culture has been a kind of my hobby. I have travelled to Norway many times… I feel that I should raise my voice when some lies have been spreading. Have you read Norwegian newspapers regularly or followed their public debate? You suppose that Norwegian people live in a country which is similar to Nazi Germany. But it´s bullshit… Norway is free, democratic country and they don´t deserve the level of hate they are getting now.
You don’t seem to understand, Veronika. The people I know have no hate for Norway or Norwegians. You feel people like me are manipulated. The truth is that I have read enough horror stories that my conscience won’t let me rest. I must do something out of love. This is a love for Norway and for the Norwegian people.
Child abuse is on the rise in many countries. It is a sign of the times in which we live. There are undoubtedly cases of child abuse happening in Norway. No one that I know of questions that. What is being questioned are the bully tactics and destruction of good families in Norway. I could ask you so many questions, but I will only ask one.
I have supervised many visitations here in America. Most parents who have had their children taken for some reason get to see their children once a week. Many get to see their children twice a week. Many in Norway get to see their children 4 times a year for only two hours. Why are the policies of two educated countries so different? I think this Norwegian policy is obscene. I am only mentioning one of many things I have learned about the Barnevernet. I will “save my breath” now as this response was written as much for the readers of this blog as for you. It is obvious that you are a supporter of the complete Barnevernet system and you will not change. This I don’t understand. How can you not see the truth? I have “spoken” to too many victims to think that this is some kind of conspiracy against Norway.
I care about Norway, period. I will try to help the victims of a system that thinks it is above all others, a system that uses the child abuse problems of the world to destroy good families.
May God give the people of Norway wisdom as to how to deal with this huge problem, a problem that has much of the population in fear. If I lived in Norway and had children, I would fear the Barnevernet. I will always fear/respect God above all else. So, if I were a Norwegian, I would pray, read my Bible, and ask God for wisdom about what I should do. I would probably end up trying to organize in some way with those who felt in fear as I would be. I would share true stories, like the ones where a baby didn’t act just so with its Mother so it was taken and placed with someone who will never have as much love and concern as the biological Mother. Norway is known for it’s wealth and education and beauty. God’s beauty is difficult to ruin. However, just because a society is very literate says nothing about its soul. I am concerned for the soul of Norway. Only a lost society can treat its own people in this way. There is no Hitler in Norway who is easily identified.
There is a Bible verse that says that the love of money is a root of all sorts of evil. I live in a very materialistic country in America. However, I don’t know many police officers in my country who would tolerate continual emergency removals of loved kids from their homes. If the policies of Norway became the policies in America overnight, the police would be in an uproar. This uproar would not only include the police, but the majority of the citizens of the U.S.
You are fortunate for now that most of the U.S. knows nothing about the problems in Norway. That is changing. It is changing in much of the world. Norway’s wealth, education, and beauty is being ruined by a cruel system that seems to have a goal of destroying biological families. This system is being run by a minority of the people. When the majority wakes up, and understand that they have been conditioned over years to accept such a system, BV leaders responsible for crimes against humanity will be charged and fair penalties meted out. If I were you, Veronika, I would want to be on the righteous side of this issue. I still have hope for you, but after your comments here it seems like you are a concrete statue that speaks but is so heavy that it can’t be moved by a bulldozer.
You are a CPS LOVER and VERY DANGEROUS person.
Whats wrong with this picture?
The state of Norway has criminalized family life.
In Norway regular mums and dads are consider criminals and that’s why a police officer has to watch them.
Parents are consider dangerous to their own children.
Sick mentality,Shame on this government and on all people representing this ideology.
I agree that 12 year old can not live on her own, though 12 year old does not need someone to be in the house all the time. I dont know how often that mother was in the hospital and if that really was the only option, but my point was about the very limited contact the girl had with the mother. Few hours a month? What is that..
That can never be enough and it was obviously not enough for the girl, since she is criticizing it. She wanted to have more contact, but it was not allowed. That is the whole point. I dont know what relationship she had with her uncle and aunt who were her foster parent..in her post she describes that she did not click with the foster parents. Anyway BV has to listen to the children wishes, seems they dont do it at the moment.
The CPS listens to the opinion of those children who say they do not want their parents, Pavla! The state “collects” them, funding an organisation and facilitating their giving interviews, writing articles, holding speeches, being called to contribute to conferences etc.
And it is obvious to me, Marianne, that the BV spends much time trying to condition children to have this opinion.
We should know more about this case to judge i, I would say t. The girl admits in her diary that she had to change her foster family and move around different institutions lately because she was mean to the adults and they couldn´t cope with her. We had just few information about her family, it seemed to me that the family has been a bit broken (the idea of having father who would call me and would vulgary curse at my mother seems scary to me). I couldn´t take care about children with various difficulties, children in need who has gone through a trauma because it´s difficult to please everyone and to do a right thing for a child…
You are a CPS LOVER …..
Those people explaining how Barnevernet works are “part of these child human trafficking rings”……. these people GET EXCITED and BECOME HAPPYwhen they see a child suffering. Dont let these dangerous and CULT LIKE PSYCHOPATHS destroy our world. Go to their homes – bring your signs AND LET THEIR FAMILY – THEIR NEIGHBORS know who they are and WHAT THEY DO TO CHILDREN and FAMILIES.
I wish some roles were exchanged here; the police officer and CPS employee should lie down on the floor while the father and son would sit comfortably in their chairs and watch them intently:-)
It is sad. I hope, in the future, social worker will not be judgemental, but act with empathy and respect. It seems there is no dialogue at all.
When any of you find articles like this on the Internet you should republish them:
http://www.marianagurza.ro/blog/2016/05/23/10-things-i-hate-about-norway/
10 things the author hates about Norway. The 11th one I would add is that Norway became a state mafia business with children.
There are probably positive and negative things in every country. One gets coloured by where one lives. Some things I never thought weird about Norway before, which probably are a little special, I find weird when I go to Norway now. That is because I have lived away from Norway now for 24 years.
However, the way Barnevernet operates is not just weird, but also unjust. I believe Norwegians are so trusting and loyal to the state authorities and it takes a lot to make them believe that they could do something wrong. My relatives and friends in Norway probably think I am weird and misinformed when it comes to Barnevernet. I do not get any response from them when I mention it. I feel like it`s like they do not want to talk about it. It must be extremely hurting for those who have had their children taken away in Norway when Barnevernet is trusted but not them.
Something I find so weird with my own peoples, the Norwegians, is that whenever there are some complaints about Barnevernet, they say that we just don`t know how the Barnevernet works. Then they go on explaining how Barnevernet is organized, what they do etc, etc, even though we`ve heard it a hundred times before.
When my laptop breaks down, I am not interested to learn all the details about how it is built together and how it is supposed to work. I am interested to know what went wrong and how I can get it fixed. In the same way, I do not need to repeatedly learn how Barnevernet works when I see that something is wrong. Things that are broken need to be mended or replaced!
Excellent comments, Hildi.
“I do not get any response from them when I mention it. I feel like it`s like they do not want to talk about it.”
My opinion: I think that Norwegians are just like many of the citizens during WWII. They know what’s going on but they dare not speak of it out of fear. I remember watching a group of German civilians who were made to go to one of the concentration camps when the war was over. They were mostly women and I think it was American solders who were giving them the “tour.” They were shown the reality of what they knew but were afraid to discuss. I remember the black and white film well. The women were almost all crying as they covered their faces with rags to shield their noses from the stench of the dead, rotting bodies.
It is not uncommon for a social worker to come to a visitation in the U.S. occasionally. They do not come to every one! And, as one who has supervised many visitations, I have never seen anyone who looked dressed like the man in the corner at one of them. Is he a police officer? Are you kidding me?
I am pretty sure it’s a police officer, Chris
http://www.i24news.tv/en/news/international/europe/92371-151113-norway-disarms-its-police-officers
This is unbelievable, Pavla. Do they have a police officer at everyone of these?
yes Chris, i have been through this. they searched me and all the toys i bring to my daughter. yes sir, the ugly truth!
Very sad, Maen. It is like going thru a modern airport. I guess you are considered like a terrorist before a visitation.
He is a police officer, yes. No, they do not very often have the police there. Perhaps they are afraid of the father escaping with the child.
The police officer reminds me of Gomer Pyle in an old Andy Griffith episode. Gomer falls asleep on the roof when he is supposed to be covering (with gun) Barney. This would be a joke if it weren’t so serious, Marianne.
The officer appears like he thinks there is some kind of threat…(He appears asleep in the corner)
I was thinking the same, Chris:-) And to me he also looks pretty bored…
Indeed, Hildi. Although he may be asleep and bored out of his mind, a no-no for sure (he may even get in trouble for this picture), I like his instincts. There is no danger here.
When it comes to the way Barnevernet uses Police officers, I was wondering how on earth they sent four police to take away the Bodnariu baby? Wasn`t even Ruth alone home with him? Four police to handle one mother and one helpless baby? It doesn`t quite make sense to me…. What are they afraid of?
I bet there were even more police in the case where this picture was taken too. I mean, here it was even a man and an older boy which I assume are stronger than a woman who has just given birth….
I think I read somewhere that the police were complaining that Barnevernet use them too often. My guess is that the police officer in the picture thought that it was quite useless that he was there.
As I have stated before, Hildi. If I were a Norwegian police officer who had to do this, I would rather scrub toilets or anything worse that was honest to make a living.
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another slice of Norway that leaves one speechless….
To jest policjant.W wielu przypadkach rodzice moga rozmawiac z dzieckiem tylko po norwesku.Niewiele trzeba ,zeby spotkanie bylo przerwane np.ukazywanie uczuc .Spotkania sa czasem 2 w ciagu roku.Rodzice biologiczni sa traktowani tak samo jak powazni kryminalisci lub narkomani.
Ja jednak mysle o czyms innym.Moim zdaniem kradziez dzieci rumunskich i cyganskich miala na celu likwidacje zebrakow z ulic Norwegii.BV porwalo chyba 6ooo dzieci czyli 50 %.Porywanon je z izb porodowych.Ciekawe ile tych dzieci przezylo?
Sorry ale te bledy to po prosu cenzura.Wstaw dziecko zamiast poland
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This picture should not be spread on the internet at all. This activist woman – Cecilie – is announcing that she is studying law – so – why does she of all ( the chronic) activists post herself a picture that she should know have nothing to do on
the internet. It’s sensitive and should be kept condidential for the child and the possible parent involved.
We don’t nothing about what we see on this picture. We do not know the context – we don’t know if this has something to do with the CPD and visits at all.
If someone from the office or a psychologist is present – they do not always do that – it must be for some reasons that has to do with the case, but – the police present is only done when the parent come from prison or is considered a possible danger. What is in the mind of the woman posting this – breaking the rules of privacy.
What’s wrong with this picture? That a parent – from the history leading to this possible context – must have both the police and another person present for playing chess with a child.
I have seen no information of how the visits the Bodnariu’s do are organized. Since there is a case going on they most likely are observed, but I don’t think the police is involved. To use this photo as = so is all visits is misguiding nonsense!
Knut : jeg har hatt 4 politi på døra med barneværnet. 10 dager før termin. Trodde de jeg var blitt ninja-gravid?
Nei : de skulle tegne et bilde av meg til mine naboer og andre rundt meg.
Heldigvis var jeg godt likt i nabolaget og blant venner. Offentlige overgrep.
Jeg har mange episoder der politi på ordre ifra barneværnet opptrer på en sammensvergende måte.
Ring omså 004745140162
This picture should not be spread on the internet at all. This activist woman – Cecilie – is announcing that she is studying law – so – why does she of all ( the chronic) activists post herself a picture that she should know have nothing to do on
the internet. It’s sensitive and should be kept confidential for the child and the possible parent involved.
We don’t know nothing about what we see on this picture. We do not know the context – we don’t know if this has something to do with the CPS and visits at all.
If someone from the CPS office or a psychologist is present – they do not always do that – it must be for some reasons that have to do with the case, but – the police present is only done when the parent come from prison or is considered a possible danger. What is in the mind of the woman posting this – breaking the rules of privacy?
What’s wrong with this picture? That a parent – from the history leading to this possible context – must have both the police and another person present for playing chess with a child.
I have seen no information of how the visits the Bodnariu’s do are organized. Since there is a case going on they most likely are observed, but I don’t think the police is involved. To use this photo as = so is all visits is just misguiding activism.
Knut Nygaard …… you are very DANGEROUS person.
Are you working for BARNEVERNET?
DO YOU ALSO STEAL CHILDREN – FOR PROFIT?
ARE YOU PAID BY BARNEVERNET ?
In the upcoming Bodnariu decision, who will make the decision, 1 or 3 people? Anyone?
If it is in the County Committee, I suppose a committee leader (jurist) with a couple of others with him, one of them probably an “expert”.
Probably an EXPERT? These experts are WACKOS!!!
3 or 5 – 3 is the most common. There is one leader who do the ruling of the case. This person know the context of the case beforehand – the others one hour before the case is set. I or 2 members are what we call – common member – with no prior relevance to what they are about to take part in and 1 or two members that have thourough knowledge and know exactly what they shall take part in.
Thanks, Knut. If the Bodnarius lose, the will then appeal to whom?
Also, how are the 2 common members selected, Knut?
Here is information in English about Fylksenemda
http://www.fylkesnemndene.no/en/what-does-fylkesnemndene-do/
I think the common members are taken from some municipal political election lists.
Who chooses them, Knut?
That I don’t know for sure, but my guess there is some names that are ready for use in a beforehand decided order.
There is a central department for the CC’s. I think central in this context is County. The professional members must apply for a place in the CC and I don’t know who decide to take this and that case – again – to be fair – my guess is that it’s taken from a list with acknowledged professionals in a beforehand decided order.
Ok, thanks, Knut. If the Bodnarius lose they will then appeal to the highest court is my guess.
The case coming next week is done in the context of the child welfare act 4-12. If the Bodnariu’s loose and an uncertain number of children are placed for longtime care they can appeal to Tingretten and then Lagmannsretten and then…
This municipal CPS must have strong evidence for getting accept for a longtime placement – they have a much harder case in front of them now than in Tingretten in March where the case was about the use of § 4-6, 2. junction – the emergency. With one home and four still in care my guess that it’s just about these four the battle will stand – the CPS have now had much time to make out a case done with relevance to § 4-12, but they must have much harder evidences now that before.
Thank you, Knut. Is there any possibility whatsoever that the baby, Ezekiel, could be taken back in foster care?
I don’t think so – in that matter when the CPS let Ezekiel home after the hearing in Tingretten in March I think the CPS must have evidence like the parents to be uncontrolled abusive and that E will end up like … when he gets older – I think the whole case will be hard for the CPS if the Costea version is close to truth. The four childrens behaviour and expressions seems to be the only source for the CPS to build a stronger case – I hope the children has hold the family bond and their parents high .. all the way.
This is one time that I hope you are right, Knut.
“The four childrens behaviour and expressions seems to be the only source for the CPS to build a stronger case – I hope the children has hold the family bond and their parents high .. all the way.”
Quotes like these are what confuse people about you, Knut. If one assumes that the Barnevernet is an honest bunch, then it would appear that you are rooting for the Bodnariu children here.
The Barnevernet has done so much slight of hand, tricks, lies, etc. that one has to assume the opposite. The BV will possibly look at good things as if they were bad and the family bond…
it is irrelevant.
Chris here it states about the 4 policemen
http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-36026458
Thank you, Pavla. Intimidation was the intent I’m guessing. Either that or paranoia.
They will not “appeal”. Fylkesnemnda or the County Committe for Social Issues and Child Welfare, Hordaland and Sogn & Fjordane, is not a court but an administrative organ. Its decision can be brought in for judicial review by Sogn and Fjordane District Court, the same court which devided to release baby Ezekiel in April.
I think it is very important to publish this photo of a supervised visit. The right to free debate is protected under the Norwegian Constitution:
Article 100
There shall be freedom of expression.
No person may be held liable in law for having imparted or received information, ideas or messages unless this can be justified in relation to the grounds for freedom of expression, which are the seeking of truth, the promotion of democracy and the individual’s freedom to form opinions. Such legal liability shall be prescribed by law.
Everyone shall be free to speak his mind frankly on the administration of the State and on any other subject whatsoever. Clearly defined limitations to this right may only be imposed when particularly weighty considerations so justify in relation to the grounds for freedom of expression.
Prior censorship and other preventive measures may not be applied unless so required in order to protect children and young persons from the harmful influence of moving pictures. Censorship of letters may only be imposed in institutions.
Everyone has a right of access to documents of the State and municipal administration and a right to follow the proceedings of the courts and democratically elected bodies. Limitations to this right may be prescribed by law to protect the privacy of the individual or for other weighty reasons.
It is the responsibility of the authorities of the State to create conditions that facilitate open and enlightened public discourse.
Thanks, Cecilie. The system there appears to be more complicated than the one in America. So what does this administrative organ have the power to do to the or for the Bodnarius?
I like this Article 100. It’s about freedom of expression, something that is highly valued in America as well.
In my case one of the “judges” fell asleep douring the game. Was she drugged? Why nobody waken her?
It is years ago but still i remember it well.
For me it was embarrassing. It should be the other way araound.
Why dont we reply to this monster?
Its because we dont belive in monsters. We belive in justis. But personally i dont belive anymore. Im afraid. Afraid of my and my childrens freedom. There is threats. And nobody have time or knowledge how to change this anymoore. It seems to only get worse.
I’m guessing you live in Norway, mor-vilje.
I think mor-vilje represents the true voice of Norway, unless she lives elsewhere. It could easily be the U.K, Sweden, Denmark, Finland or many others.
Yes, she lives in Norway, Chris. She has written quite courageously about her CPS cases over several years.
Do you have a link to her story that is posted anywhere in English, Marianne? I’ll take several links if you have them, but please only if it is an easy matter.
Knut Nygaard ……….. you are a TROJAN HORSE full of pedophiles …….
Knut Nygård wrote on May 23, 2016:
“The case coming next week is done in the context of the child welfare act 4-12. If the Bodnariu’s loose and an uncertain number of children are placed for longtime care they can appeal to Tingretten and then Lagmannsretten and then…
This municipal CPS must have strong evidence for getting accept for a longtime placement – they have a much harder case in front of them now than in Tingretten in March where the case was about the use of § 4-6, 2. junction – the emergency. With one home and four still in care my guess that it’s just about these four the battle will stand – the CPS have now had much time to make out a case done with relevance to § 4-12, but they must have much harder evidences now that before.”
Evidently, Knut Nygård, knows very little about the law. He has got it all wrong, upside down, as usual, I may add. Barnevernet has a much harder case proving a bvl § 4-6 (2) case than they have a §4-12 case. Firsly, Barnevernet has the burden of proof but need only “prove” with 50% probability or more (preponderance of evidence) that the parents are unfit to care for their children. In criminal cases the prosecutor has to prove beyond reasonable doubt that the accused is guilty. Secondly, it is much harder to prove that continued emergency measures are needed. The children must be in immediate danger of abuse. In §4-12 cases barnevernet only need to prove with a preponderance of evidence that the parents are “unfit”, and the margin of discretion is very wide! The individual caseworker bring forward their own personal, very suvjective opinion, as “proof” of the unfitness of the parents. Also, the psychologists give their personal opinions based on the “facts” collected by barnevernet. Of course, barnevernet’s presentation is highly biased. Barnevernet is not objectively investigating the case but only look for “evidence” which will incriminate the parents.
Knut must know this after working there for so many years. He is confusing as he is brave one day and lies the next. Thanks for your expertise Cecilie.
This picture should not be spread on the internet at all. This activist woman – Cecilie – is announcing that she is studying law – so – why does she of all ( the chronic) activists post herself a picture that she should know have nothing to do on
the internet. It’s sensitive and should be kept confidential for the child and the possible parent involved.
We don’t know nothing about what we see on this picture. We do not know the context – we don’t know if this has something to do with the CPD and visits at all.
If someone from the CPS office or a psychologist is present – they do not always do that – it must be for some reasons that have to do with the case, but – the police present is only done when the parent come from prison or is considered a possible danger. What is in the mind of the woman posting this – breaking the rules of privacy?
That is not up to Mr Nygaard. It is up to this father to decide, and he has apparently told Mrs Bedsvaag that he wants the picture publicised.
Is the child asked? Now the Bodnariu children end up as poster children – are they asked?
So a parent can not decide, whether he will post a photo of him and his child (eventhough in care) on social media and whether it can be shared or not? Who else should decide, than a parent?
And talking about confidentiality, why is your ex minister Inga Marthe Thorkildsen breaking it? She has posted on her public FB a photo of a foster child (a baby) together with a foster parent. To make it a picture perfect, the foster parent was reading a book written by IMT. So IMT is posting a photo of a foster child, its not even her foster child, its not even her child..How about that?
Are the Bodnariu children asked how they liked it in their foster families without their parents and siblings?
I am Ms or Bedsvaag, not Mrs, please. Mrs. Bedsvaag is my paternal grandmother and mother before she split with my father.
Alternatively, you could call me Miss Bedsvaag, but then I would be confused with my young daughter.
The picture is from Grong in Trøndelag. It was distributed openly on facebook and I presume the father has nothing against me distributing it. In my opinion, openness is the best protection against Barnevernet abuse. Also, you cannot see the face of the boy. The man in uniform is a Norwegian police officer. Barnevernet routinely require the assistance of police.
Thank you for the info regarding the origin of the picture, Cecilie. Once a document, fact, or picture is made PUBLIC, than it is open for PUBLIC discussion and distribution. Our freedom of speech and expression is protected by our own laws.
What’s wrong with this picture?
This picture should not be spread on the internet at all. This activist woman – Cecilie – is announcing that she is studying law – so – why does she of all ( the chronic) activists post herself a picture that she should know have nothing to do on
the internet. It’s sensitive and should be kept confidential for the child and the possible parent involved.
We don’t know nothing about what we see on this picture. We do not know the context – we don’t know if this has something to do with the CPD and visits at all.
Knut Nygaard ……….. your picture should be BROADCAST WORLD WIDE on the internet – to protect THE WORLD from you and your psychologically inept CPS WORKER friends …..
This picture should not be spread on the internet at all. This activist woman – Bedesvaag – is anouncing that she is studying law – so – why does she of all ( the chronic) activists post herself a picture that she should know have nothing to do on
the internet. It’s sensitive and should be kept confidential for the child and the possible parent involved.
We don’t know nothing about what we see on this picture. We do not know the context – we don’t know if this has something to do with the CPD and visits at all.
If someone from the CPS office or a psychologist is present – they do not always do that – it must be for some reasons that have to do with the case, but – the police present is only done when the parent come from prison or is considered a possible danger. What is in the mind of the woman posting this – breaking the rules of privacy?
If someone from the CPS office or a psychologist is present – they do not always do that – it must be for some reasons that have to do with the case, but – the police present is only done when the parent come from prison or is considered a possible danger. What is in the mind of the woman posting this – breaking the rules of privacy?
What’s wrong with this picture? That a parent – from the history leading to this possible context – must have both the police and another person present for playing chess with a child.
I have seen no information of how the visits the Bodnariu’s do are organized. Since there is a case going on they most likely are observed, but I don’t think the police is involved. To use this photo as = so is all visits is just misguiding activism
So why do Barnevernet send 4 policemen to take a little baby away from its breastfeeeding mother, Knut? Are these mothers considered criminal?
Just checking, Hildi.
I know you are very careful with what you “say” but there were 4 police that day?
Yes, Chris, there were four police who took the youngest Bodnariu family member. I just saw somewhere that Pavla already found it on BBC:-) Here is the statement;
“The woman said the other black car had taken Ruth’s two daughters away, into emergency state care. And she told Ruth to hand over her two older sons to be taken away, too.
The following day, two black cars appeared again. The couple assumed it had all been a terrible mistake and the children had been brought back.
But they were wrong. Four policemen got out. And took the baby.”
On the same BBC site it says;
“Most cases now don’t involve parental violence, though, or alcohol- or drug-abuse. The commonest reason for a care order now is simply “lack of parenting skills”.”
I find it quite worrisome that “lack of parenting skills” has become the most common reason for a care order in Barnevernet. You can make up anything to mean that someone is lacking parenting skill. It is a subjective term. The CPS employer in the picture may conclude that the father has a lack of parenting skill whereas another CPS employer may come to another conclusion.The outcome of such a case will depend a lot on who one is in touch with. If there is real violence involved (where you can see marks), alcohol-or drug-abuse, sexual or other abuse, it is more obvious to everybody that a child has to be removed from the parents to a safe environment.
If children are taken away from parents due to “lack of parenting skills” instead of being offered help, it proves that Barnevernet are not taking away children as a “last” resort but as a “first” resort.
I think the “lack of parental skills” might also explain why so many non-native parents in Norway have their children removed by Barnevernet. Every country and culture has different ways of raising their children. Norwegians may believe that their way is the best. Barnevernet can easily conclude that a foreign parent lacks parental skills.
All very good points, Hildi. Thank you.
I’ve read part of the article now. Taking four police leaves only two possibilities in my mind: 1) someone is very paranoid, or 2) the intent was to intimidate.
Yes, it is ridiculous to send 4 policemen to take a baby from a mother! It is almost like one can`t believe it.
I talked to a lady after church yesterday who had seen some criminal novels of Scandinavian authors in a book shop that she was very eager to suggest me to read. But I think I don`t need to read criminal novels at the moment….. Barnevernet is terrifying enough…..
Yes, we have enough criminals in our lives at the moment, Hildi.
You are the CPS worker here, Knut. You cannot answer my question above? Also, how about statistics about percentages of visitations where police are present? Or how about statistics about percentages of police present during “Emergency removals.”
In the upcoming Bodnariu decision, who will make the decision, 1 or 3 people, Knut?
Knut, Barnevernet always hides behind confidentiality. The truth is that pictures like this exposes them for what they are: an anti family organization.
But you should be wise enough, Mr. Prunean, to understand that there is a history behind what we might see in this picture that it’s not up to Bedesvaag, you or other activists to spread on the internet for all to see. That is not hiding – that’s keeping the privacy and protection – especially of the child involved. I don’t think you take pictures in your working hours and spread them on the internet for all to see in the evening.
Knut, this picture is already public. This is a war between families and BV, and this family is a casualty. Confidentiality is already out the door once this public picture is out there. We are using it to illustrate the nature of BV, a very inconvenient thing for BV..
It’s nothing inconvenient about that picture other that it say nothing about the context and the history behind.
Barnevernet is using privacy and protection as though they are the part keeping privacy and protection.
We know what kind of organization is Barnevernet ,they are the ones who are tearing apart and destroying numerous families and children’s life.
The world slowly is learning through the internet what kind of democracy in in Norway.
Rolf Sverkmo is the father who has published pictures from supervised visits with his son. As you can see, the photos are open to the public.
https://m.facebook.com/rolf.sverkmo/posts/1181568071877021
Still no answer from Knut…… So I`ll try again; We see one police officer here and you tell us that the police is only present when a parent comes from prison or is a possible danger. So why then does Barnevernet send four police to take a baby from its mother?
Probably again something Knut doesn`t like to answer…..
How should I know – I have no information about the situation and the considerations done?
But you do go with either one or more police when you do the emergency cases, don`t you?
No, we have different tasks to do – f.i. the CPS to take care of the children and the police to take the parent to examination and maybe next in prison. In some emergency the police ain’t involved at all. The CPS cooperate with the police in prepared actions as the one in Naustdal – in actions not that prepared the security and risk for the involved both family members and the CPS is one of the considerations to be done and if the risk level is a part of it – security comes first.
Pracownicy klazuale milczenia uzywaja do swojej obrony..Zaslaniaja swoje dzialania za ta zaslona.Parktyczne ,bo z niczego nie musza sie tlumaczyc.Za kradziez swojego dziecka z barnevern rodzice moga dostac wyrok 3 lat wiezienia.Pracownikowi za podjecie blednej decyzji o zabraniu dziecka z rodziny nic nie grozi.W calej historii barnevernet nie bylo za to kar dla pracownikow.Sa bezkarni.Maja absolutna wladze i pieniadze.To patologia.
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My closest associates and I talked a little about this case today in our staffmeeting because we have another hearing going on a the same time and there is only one place for these CC meetings for children with an adress in Sogn and Fjordanen or Hordaland and that is here in Bergen.
The case coming up now will be proceeded by the CPS for the caresituation for all five. The considerations done in March was done according to § 4-6, 2 junction – the emergency – and Ezekiel came home according to those considerations. Now the CC shall conclude according to the conditions in § 4-12:
A care order may be issued
(a) if there are serious deficiencies in the daily care received by the child, or serious deficiencies in terms of the personal contact and security needed by a child of his or her age and development,
(b) if the parents fail to ensure that a child who is ill, disabled or in special need of assistance receives the treatment and training required,
(c) if the child is mistreated or subjected to other serious abuses at home, or
(d) if it is highly probable that the child’s health or development may be seriously harmed because the parents are unable to take adequate responsibility for the child. – and the CPS in Naustdal can include him (E) with the other children. Worst case scenario is that all five go to longtime placement.
The most used is the a – sometime in combination with the d. I don’t know if Naustdal CPS will use both a and c or d or just a. The CPS can take in much more than violence in the case. Now it’s the whole caresituation. F.i.the rules and regulations the parents impose on their children.
All agreed that if this case had been at our office and the family had no history with the CPS the children would have been home in 2015 with help measures. They agreed to the considerations I have told you about – Naustdal have no legal advisor – the municipal lawyer is lawyer for all types of cases – not just CPS cases – our legal advisors work in our office and are a part of out staff. At our office this wouldn’t have been a § 4-6 second junction case at all – we have during the past two years handled around 100 cases where parental violence is the matter and just one is done according to § 4-6 second junction and in that case the violence was done obviously hard.
So – in Naustdal the parents end up in the CC and risk loosing all five – in our district they would have been home with help measures. All hope the CC end up as we consider.
“So – in Naustdal the parents end up in the CC and risk loosing all five – in our district they would have been home with help measures. All hope the CC end up as we consider.”
I will take your word for this, Knut, as an experiment. Since they would have been home where you are but in Naustdal the Bodnarius risk losing all five, will you admit that the system is broken in a major way? Why such huge differences in the same country? There are differences in my country from state to state but, when it comes to children, removal of children from homes is done in a very similar way in most places. There are always exceptions.
Do you agree with me that Norway has major issues with its CPS system when taken as a whole?
I have said both to you and in my comments in Norwegian that Horne has a job to do to get our service more recognizeable in all our single municipalities – the handling of emergencies differ all too much.
Knut Nygaard • for 2 dager siden
Jeg er av den oppfatning av ut fra den informasjon som iallefall har lekket ut fra det som ligger bak akuttvedtak gjort i Naustdal at det mest sannsynlig ville ha vist seg – hvis dette hadde vært en øvingscase – at få kommuner ville ha endt opp så drastisk med en familie der tema er oppdragervold – foreldrene har innrømmet sine handlinger – ihvertfall delvis – de er villige til å ta imot hjelpetiltak – de har ingen forhistorie i barnevernet – dette er deres debut og de har aldri tidligere hatt eller fått mulighet til å vise at de kan både endre seg og samarbeide til det beste for sine barn og sin familie.
Derfor kjennes det rimelig vondt at rådmannen i Naustdal om så er er villig til å gå ned med det kommunale flagget til topps for å hindre at disse fire ikke får mulighet til retur og oppfølging hos sine.
Jeg vil våge å påstå at små kommuner mangler den trening som ligger bak en hverdag på større kontor der det flere ganger i måneden foretas akuttvurderinger – ja, gjerne flere i løpet av en uke. Hvor stor vil da sannsynligheten være for at det som ligger i en akuttvurdering i den kommunale barneverntjeneste legges på noenlunde samme nivå? Jeg mener at her har Horne en jobb å gjøre – få hele Norge opp å gå i forhold til sine vurderinger knyttet til akuttnivå, slik at barnevernet blir mer samhandlende i sin utførelse – noe som skaper tillit både innad og utad.
Det er ikke greit – hvis – og trolig stemmer dette hvis – det er slik at hadde denne familien bodd i by så ville familien mest sannsynlig ha vært gjenforent med hjelpetiltak allerede i 2015 ..mens i Naustdal så….
Det ligger ikke barnevernets samfunnsoppgave å bidra til å ødelegge en oppegående familie med 7 medlemmer som tydeligvis er svært så glade i hverandre.
Yes, it sounds a bit weird and unfair if the outcome can be so different depending on where you live in Norway. I ask the same; Why are there so huge differences in the same country?
Sorry Knut. I just read above now that you explained in Norwegian and also critisize that point. I understand now.
Thanks Knut! That was helpful. What says in the considerations according to which Ezekiel could go home?
Fast and pray today and the next two days is the encouragement from the BO. I hope you do for this case is not solved before it’s all over. The coming hearing is done in the room. It’s by the persons involved – their mouth – their appearance – their choice of words – their attitude and especially important: who they believe are telling the truth. I hope they use the possibility to expand from 3 to 5 members who with their wisdom and receiving of a lot of information and impressions shall decide the future for this family.
In the NRK a reseacher say that municipalities should have at least 15000 inhabitants to have their own CPS. They small ones are as I have said not used to this kind of cases – the researcher think it can be about 5 years between every case they have that is for care order – § 4-12.
They ask the Council man in Naustdal what he thinks – you guessed it?: He obviously dislike someone coming in from the outside and tell him that “his” CPS lacks competanse and experience – which is obvious for the rest of Norway to see that they do – he talks with our controller – the County Governeur – which is right – we do – in a case like this because the CG wants to know whats going on. These talks end for the most part in some advices from the CG that give the CPS an understanding that everything is OK.
The CPS in Naustdal is a shame for Norway and this CM show that he has no insight in the wrongs the CPS he protects do to an ordinary family with 7 children.
http://www.nrk.no/sognogfjordane/forskar-meiner-sma-barnevernskontor-manglar-viktig-kompetanse-1.12961252
“The CPS in Naustdal is a shame for Norway…” I agree, Knut.
How is it that one such local leader of the CPS can have such power? The injustice of this case, like so many others in Norway, should be obvious to those who have jurisdiction over this leader. This case, and many others, should have been easily resolved months ago.
It appears that the Indians control the Chiefs, Knut. How can that possibly happen in Norway’s CPS?
Excuse me once again, but the suggestion from a “senior research scholar” at one of the places that educate CPS workers, Høgskolen i Oslo og Akershus, that it is a question of size is pure nonsense. Of course Mr Nygaard takes up this suggestion. The purpose is, once again, to present the make-believe that the only trouble is with Naustdal Barnevern, and that Norwegian Barnevern is very good and particularly the larger CPS offices are much more competent.
Some extremely barbaric CPS cases have been carried out by the CPS offices in our larger cities and towns also. Not to forget that when our authorities are unable to harass parents into silence and matters instead grow into a hullabaloo case, then Barnevernet and the state provide their most experienced “experts” on psychology, psychiatry, and law, to act against the families.
Even a single case such as Eva Michaláková’s or the Bodnarius’ should be enough to make honourable people in Norway take action and have the attacks on families stopped. Politicians are mostly concerned to maintain their positions in politics, otherwise it would be a mystery how they can endorse again and again a system for which they are so clearly responsible, while they have “explained away” this responsibility by running away from individual cases.
You say what you want about me at the CPS as a whole – opinions are just opinions – so am mine – I just sent this mail to the Council man and the leader of the CPS in Gausdal – I hope I survive – I’m not on work today so I can’t be taken for that, but I’m not sure if it’s quite OK for me as an CPS in one municipal to send mail of critisism to another – time will show:
Er barnevernet i Naustdal i uttak med oss andre? – Is the CPS in Naustdal like us other?
Det kjennes rimelig vondt at rådmannen i Naustdal om så er er villig til å gå ned med det kommunale flagget til topps for å hindre at disse fire ikke får mulighet til retur og oppfølging hos sine. Trolig er det og uvisst hva som vil skje med Ezekiel. Det ligger ikke i barnevernets samfunnsoppgave å ødelegge en vanlig familie på 7.
Jeg er i siste svingen av min arbeidskarriere der store deler har foregått og foregår fortsatt i den kommunale barneverntjeneste. De siste 23 år har jeg jobbet i en av de nå 8 områdebarnevern i Bergen. Mitt hovedarbeidsområde er mottak, under-søkelser og tiltak.
I det et barn forandrer status til plassert over tid, enten det er frivillig eller etter forhandliger i fylkesnemd, så forlater barnet den avdelingen jeg jobber i og blir ivaretatt av omsorgsavdelingen – de barna som går inn i “vår” omsorg får en høy prioritet i den daglige videre ivaretakelse.
Barnevern på lokalt plan er en tjeneste utført i samsvar med gjeldende lover, rutiner, rundskriv og lokale forbedringsmål. Tjenesten er i stadig endring der målet er å yte slik at de det gjelder får hjelp som kjennes som er hjelp – som hindrer alvorlige inngrep og som bidrar til at familien har større mulighet til å holde sammen i ellers utfordrende år av ulike årsaker.
Dette gjelder for barnevernet enten det er i – etter norske forhold – storbyen Bergen – og en kommune som Naustdal med 2700 innbyggere og 3 eller 4 ansatte. På mitt bydelskontor er vi ca. 50 ansatte – vi skal betjene ca. 37000 innbyggere. På vårt kontor mottok vi 475 meldinger i 2014 – av de flere som det ble gjort akuttvurderinger på. I Naustdal mottok de totalt 27 meldinger og noe sier meg at det kan være svært langt mellom akuttvurderingene.
Hvis det er slik at denne familien aldri har hatt kontakt med bv.tj. før og temaet er oppdragervold, så har vi ved vårt kontor håndtert ca. 100 slike saker hvorav kun en førte til bruk av 4-6, 2. ledd og der var voldsbruken markant – slag med belte og neddykking i vann.
På vårt bydelskontor er det ansatt to jurister der minst en av de påkobles hvis akuttvurdering. I Naustdal er det en kommunal advokat som jobber i Bergen som har denne oppgaven.
Både i Naustdal og i Bergen er vi mennesker med en fagprofesjon, men er det trolig at en case blir behandlet likt – bortimot likt – eller mer “bingo”/alt etter som av de kommunale barnevern?
I Bergen er det foretatt en gjennomgang av Deloitte med fokus på kvaliteten på forsterhjemsarbeidet. Siden vi er 8 bydelskontor – og vi er mennesker med fagprofesjon – så er det ikke overraskende at det ble funnet forskjeller på både vurderinger og oppfølging – så – innen en og samme kommune kan et barn få ulik oppfølging. Vi er nå i en prosess der vi skal bli mer samlet i vår tjeneste – i Bergen – men – da er vi nødvendigvis ikke helt samsvarende med tjenesten i våre nabokommuner.
Jeg er av den oppfatning av ut fra den informasjon som iallefall har lekket ut fra det som ligger bak akuttvedtak gjort i Naustdal at det mest sannsynlig ville ha vist seg – hvis dette hadde vært en øvingscase – at få kommuner ville ha endt opp så drastisk med en familie der tema er oppdragervold – foreldrene har innrømmet sine handlinger – ihvertfall delvis – de er villige til å ta imot hjelpetiltak – de har ingen forhistorie i barnevernet – dette er deres debut og de har aldri tidligere hatt eller fått mulighet til å vise at de kan både endre seg og samarbeide til det beste for sine barn og sin familie.
Jeg vil våge å påstå at små kommuner mangler den trening som ligger bak en hverdag på vårt kontor der vi flere ganger i måneden foretar akuttvurderinger – ja, gjerne flere i løpet av en uke. Hvor stor vil da sannsynligheten være for at det som ligger i en akuttvurdering i den kommunale barneverntjeneste legges på noenlunde samme nivå? Jeg mener at her har Horne en jobb å gjøre – få hele Norge opp å gå i forhold til sine vurderinger knyttet til akuttnivå, slik at vi blir mer samhandlende i vår utførelse – noe som skaper tillit både innad og utad.
Astrid Sæther Jensen har en master på akkurat dette tema: “Vurderinger av akutte saker i barnevernet” som viser kommunale ulikheter og ulikheter knyttet til profesjonsutdannelse
Click to access Anita%20S%C3%A6ther%20Jensen%20-%20vurderinger%20av%20akutte%20saker%20i%20barnevernet.pdf
Det er ikke greit – hvis – og trolig stemmer dette hvis – det er slik at hadde denne familien bodd i Bergen, så ville familien vært gjenforent med hjelpetiltak ..mens i Naustdal så….
Det er stor forskjell på å håndtere en sak saksmessig korrekt – noe som du får bistand fra hos Fylkesmannen – til å gjøre de rette vurderingene i nærhet av samsvarende med hva andre kommuner ville ha gjort med en sak som denne. Det er å håpe at dere kommer til fornuft og trekker saken.
Knut, thank you for writing this letter. I know you have been defending the CPS as a whole, but I appreciate the fact that you see the problem in Naustdal, and you would have definitely handled the situation differently.
You have said so before, but I am impressed you went out of your way to write to a letter to Naustdal to criticize thier action.
Hmmm…. the clock is ticking, but the CPS in Naustdal and the whole municipal has a lot to consider – if they want to. Now the municipal neighbours – Gaular and Førde – say that Naustdal can join them – of they want to. They have now around 15.000 inhabitants to serve and they see many advantages with the cooperation. Here it says that the Council Man in Naustdal yesterday considered to cooperate. One of the advantages is the departments – one for concerns and investigations and one for measures and foster homes. The third group is guidance – help parents to be better parents. The leader of the Førde and Gaular CPS will not say something about the ongoing case.
http://www.nrk.no/sognogfjordane/onskjer-naustdal-velkommen-til-eit-storre-felles-barnevern-1.12962741
Thank you, Mr. Prunean, but it may give me an earlier retirement. If the CPS in Naustdal make a complaint to my employer accusing me of interference in their ongoing work I think I’m off duty in the near future.
“Thank you, Mr. Prunean, but it may give me an earlier retirement. If the CPS in Naustdal make a complaint to my employer accusing me of interference in their ongoing work I think I’m off duty in the near future.”
Knut, I must commend you. You have done something that is brave. You have risked your job for the truth. If we could only have others act in the same way consistently, none of us would be having this “discussion.”
Also, it is hard to fathom that by telling the truth that a worker in Naustdal can complain and that it would affect you. This truth is symbolic of the entire system in Norway. No one is safe if they tell the truth about certain things.
So, who will make the decision if there is a complaint against you? Who will be the one who has to decide whether you stay or go?
Knut ,jeg tror du har mye rett angående rådmannen i Naustdal kommune og ett barnevern der nå uten den samme erfaring som hvor du arbeider. Slik jeg tolker media nå, vil rådmannen plutselig ha interkommunalt barnevernsamarbeid raskest mulig-før sommerferien! Og det uten at nabokommuner visste om det.
Fra å skryte om kompetansen og den faglige dyktigheten etc til at de nå har “støttehjul” via Fylkesmannen,tripplet bemanning på under 1 år og raser ned på kommunebarometeret,så vil han-den siste uken- bli kvitt “problemet”; ganske raskt! Så jeg er enig med deg i at det skurrer ang.rådmannen,men siden jeg ikke vet,så forsøker jeg være forsiktig.Noe sier meg han vet de har “gått i baret”og at han må rydde opp nå og at denne saken gikk helt av skaftet like etter den begynte. Så jeg heller mot ordet “prestisje” eller “vil ha anseelse” el.lign. Og viser det seg at hele saken var basert på inkompetanse og mangel på erfaring (noe jeg tror), så trenger vi virkelig det du formidler;en felles plattform for akuttvedtak over hele landet. Horne har en jobb å gjøre der. Om barnevernet i Naustdal kommune har gjort en gigabrøler, så er det en skam for Norge! Jeg påstår likevel at barnevernet i Norge er ett av de beste på denne kloden,selv om det er forsatt er under utvikling. Dere gjør en flott jobb,selv om enkeltsaker ødelegger for dere.
Jeg jobber absolutt ikke innen barnevernet,(er pensjonist) hadde ikke hatt nerver til det,men synes dere gjør en formidabel flott jobb og heier på dere. Håper du fortsatt har jobben din-og at du fortsatt vil tale barnevernets sak. Som nesten den eneste…..Berømmer deg det.
I think I would have fainted with anxiety if I were to take part in such an hearing…… Isn’t the pressure far to big to act normally when it comes to the fate of your own children? Even for me, as an outsider, just watching this whole thing is almost unbearable. I do not even dare to think about a negative outcome. It is just too overwhelming and hurts too much.
Knut … my mamy dosyc Was , waszych paragrafow.Dla szystkich zdrowo myslacych osob jestescie coraz bardziej schizofreniczni.Chcemy normalnie zyc a Wy nam w tym przeszkadzacie.Czy mozecie zajac sie czyms pozytecznym wreszcie ?Na przyklad zbierajcie smieci.Wam juz nikt nie wierzy .Ta wasza piosenka ….barnas beste, barnas beste…..Nas nie obchodzi.
Hello Gabriela, I can roughly guess what you are posting (Czech and Polish are similar) but could you please write in English? Thank you
I don’t know if Knut knows Polish, Gabriela. Also, I would like to know what you are writing.
As Knut and I both know English, will you please translate into English before putting a message here?
Thank you.
Well, I don’t know Polish either and the Google translate is almost useless. But I can tell that she doesn’t have much good to say about Knut….
utrata dzieci ? ty marzysz ! Wszystkie dzieci wroca szczesliwie do swoich rodzicow .
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So Eva is going to have a court very soon. Her father is going to Norway and hopes that he will be able to see his grandchildren. He (and nobody from the extended family) has not seen the children since 2012. The Norwegian CPS is not even bothering to give any valid reasons..but that the children are busy with the school (last year) and now they are stressed about the court (this year) is a reason not to let the children meet their family at all. Eva was able to see the youngest child twice a year last year. She has not seen her oldest for more than 2 years..
Unbelievable what Barnevernet does! This can NEVER be the best for a child. I don’t know where their heads and hearts are when they cut off all contact with family and relatives. The ideologies Barnevernet teaches must be a disaster! It would have been interesting to read their text books and to learn where they have got all their ridiculous ideas from. Obviously, the Barnevernet employees are quite used to lying too as a way of getting away with what they want…. Is it possible that Eva could get her children back? I hope so!
What a hearbreaking situation for Eva. We hope that all the international protest will have a postive impact on her situation
Thank you both. There is always hope, but the children are away for 5 years now. Its too long.
Yes, 5 years is very long when it comes to children who develop so fast. I cannot understand why Barnevernet drag out cases for such a long time. If they are really interested in the child`s best they should not wait that long.
Here is a video from an expert that works with Barnevernet cases:
Norway teacher sexually abused 108 children!
http://www.thelocal.no/20160524/norway-teacher-sexually-assaulted-108-children
The article was published tiday! Knut insinuated many times that there is child abuse in Eastern European countries and certain things hardly ever happen in Norway. My question is how many children are abused by system (teachers, social workers etc) in Norway and the people never find out? I bet that if this abusive teacher would have learned that a child was ocassionally spanked at home he would have called Barnevernet! The system in Norway creates such odious individuals.
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I have children in fostercare. All but one.
The one i have been good enough to be a mother to is sic. If he had been under care he would been dead.
Nobody but a mother knows when her kid is sic.
If he been under care he would not come to hospital and get vital medication. He would been sendt off to a psykolog who sit and watch him die.
Its a fact!
The fun fact is : nobody wantet to talk to him. Noone in barneværnet. They knew he lived with me. Im sure they try to dig bad abaout us but didnt succeed. So to hide the good fact they closed theyre eyes and never told anyone abaout another scool stood by me and my kids . Tactiks horrible.
They probably didn’t take your sick one because he would be too difficult to deal with and a dead child is no good to them.
They are an evil bunch, mor-vilge.
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Knut Nygard was an online editor for Fontene.no Magazine is directed to social workers who are reprezented by Union of social workers FO.
Knut Nygard wants the Case of Bodnariu family to be widrawed.
Is it because of international presure from Pentecostal Church from all allover the world, the message has reached in 60 countries plus many other cases pop up to media as a crying for help.
Knut Nygard – Norway can be on of the best countries to live for families.
You should arrange open debate about how system of Barnevernet should be held so we who are hungreds of thousands stop thinking that Barnevernet do not meet international critearia for child care and Foster home placements.
At present as I wrote monhs ago you can meet cases where children live in the basements alone by Bv approval. Ask Stavanger Barnevernet and Josephine Stifelsen if they heard about Jozef Jakuboski, who as a 9 year old boy lived for 3 years alone in the basement in Foster home. By few people intervention and our publication this boy has been moved out from horrific surronding of the minus ground floor barnes beste condition.
open debate and clear guidance available online to learn and report child neglect in Foster care.
training and courses for returning children from Foster homes.
Norway is a beautiful country and this nightmare must end.
Jozef Jakubowski https://rodiagnusdei.wordpress.com/2016/03/04/romanianenglish-the-case-of-the-9-yr-old-polish-boy-in-norway-who-was-made-to-live-by-himself-in-the-basement/?preview=true
These CPS 《CULT based》AGENCIES are total BULLSHIT. Society truly needs to stop believing in them – because they are nothing more than DOMESTICALLY disguised government run TERRORIST CELLS who are RECRUITING innocent children and their loving family members into UNITED NATIONS backed STATE PARTY run CHILD HUMAN TRAFFICKING RINGS which are managed by individuals using nothing more MEANINGLESS HIGH END CONFUSING LANGUAGE (vocabulary) & UNLAWFUL LEGAL AMBUSHING TECHNIQUES against the TARGET PARENT or TARGET FAMILY MEMBER which is done for the purpose of LEGALLY KIDNAPPING (illegally acquiring the very commodity fueling these “UN STATE PARTY” – “government” CONTROLLED fake psychology based child kidnapping rings).